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Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler

by MoPar Man <MoPar@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 3, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Steve wrote:

> > Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
> > Unrecognized by most is that Mercedes made Chrysler dependent
> > on them for suspensions and transmissions for its large cars,
> 
> Patently false. The LX transmission (the one based on a Benz
> design, but revised and simplified) is manufactured at the
> CHRYSLER transmission plant in Kokomo. The suspension parts
> likewise, are not truly interchangeable with Benz parts and
> are made by Chrysler.

What you guys are forgetting is that even if a Mercedes part is made
in a Chrysler plant, Mercedes will still be getting some sort of
royaly or license fee from Chrysler.

And I've posted the window-sheet (monroney) on a 300C showing that the
transmission came from Germany (not all 300's have their transmission
coming from Germany, but some do, perhaps it depends on the model, or
if AWD).

http://www.unioncjd.com/detail-2008-chrysler-300-c-2401517.html

And also based on the window sheet for a 300, you will note that the
car is listed at only 74% domestic parts content.  That is actually 1%
short of what the US gov't considers as the threshold for a vehicle to
be called "domestically manufactured".

I'm reposting the following.  Pay attention:

  "The LX cars employ various parts from Mercedes E-class, such
   as the 5-speed automatic gearbox, the rear differential, ESP
   system, the double-wishbones front and 5-link rear suspensions."

http://www.autozine.org/html/Chrysler/300.html

   "The LX platform is Chrysler's new full-size rear wheel drive
    automobile platform for the mid part of the 2000s. The LX was
    developed in America using components borrowed from the
    Mercedes-Benz W220 S-class control arm front suspension,
    Mercedes-Benz W210 E-Class the 5-link rear suspension, the
    W5a580K 5-speed automatic, the rear differential, and the ESP
    system."

http://www.answers.com/topic/chrysler-lx-platform


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In 2005, the 3.5 was coupled to Chrysler's own four-speed automatic on
rear-drive models, and to the Mercedes five-speed automatic on
all-wheel-drive models. 

Though Chrysler had already chosen rear wheel drive before the merger,
hooking up with Mercedes allowed (some say forced) the use of existing
technologies, including a low-end version of the Mercedes E-class
automatic transmission (the A580 electronic automatic), and versions
of Mercedes' stability control, steering, front suspensions,
electronics, rear suspensions, and seats. It is hard to tell how much
- if any - this has saved (or cost) in development, since
DaimlerChrysler worked hard to justify the takeover of Chrysler
Cor****ation in the face of stockholder lawsuits, and Chrysler
re****tedly was paying steep royalties for their use of these
components (some of which were provided by outside suppliers in any
case)

The LX cars will use the Mercedes E class traction control, electronic
stability systems, axles, wire harnesses, automatic transmissions
(downgraded to five speeds from six so Chrysler won't go into Mercedes
turf - even as GM and Ford create a new six-speed automatic), steering
columns, and other major suspension components. 20% of the Magnum's
components are shared with Mercedes, according to Wolfgang Bernhard
(40% of the Crossfire is Mercedes so these figures are to be taken
lightly). 

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/
 




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Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Comments4u <comments4u  2008-01-02 23:55:40 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-03 00:27:30 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"C. E. White" &  2008-01-03 07:54:40 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-03 08:03:25 
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"TBone" <NoW  2008-01-03 11:43:53 
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Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-03 11:12:18 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"Mike Simmons"   2008-01-03 13:14:15 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"C. E. White" &  2008-01-04 10:51:33 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-04 09:56:31 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-04 15:19:58 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"Ted Mittelstaedt&qu  2008-01-05 22:02:23 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-07 09:25:21 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-07 09:44:28 
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tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-08 14:25:39 
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tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-09 13:33:14 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-10 14:12:45 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-11 13:58:44 
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tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-14 16:59:56 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-15 10:46:05 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-10 14:18:43 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-11 14:01:27 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-14 17:00:49 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-10 14:25:09 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-11 14:03:14 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
edward ohare <edward_o  2008-01-11 21:10:43 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Nate Nagel <njnagel@[E  2008-01-11 21:18:00 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-16 14:08:55 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-11 12:17:23 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@  2008-01-11 14:07:02 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-16 14:06:59 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Stephen Harding <smhar  2008-01-07 17:55:14 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"C. E. White" &  2008-01-07 13:00:17 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Stephen Harding <smhar  2008-01-07 22:34:27 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
edward ohare <edward_o  2008-01-07 22:16:24 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"Roy" <Roy@[  2008-01-07 17:52:51 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-01-08 03:19:25 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
edward ohare <edward_o  2008-01-08 22:07:15 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-07 12:22:19 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Stephen Harding <smhar  2008-01-07 22:42:57 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-08 14:26:38 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
Scott in SoCal <scotte  2008-01-07 18:23:14 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
MoPar Man <MoPar@[EMAI  2008-01-03 22:19:18 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
MoPar Man <MoPar@[EMAI  2008-01-04 10:28:37 
Re: Mercedes still may profit from Chrysler
"Dori A Schmetterlin  2008-01-09 22:47:42 

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