2. Roger Blake wrote:
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Hurricane Guy wrote:
> car lot that is obsolete before it is even driven off the lot. Why?
> because the Auto and Oil Cartels have staged this little scam. America
> never demanded to buy GAS HOGS! America bought what was put in front of
I guess you don't recall the 1950s and 1960s when many compact cars
were available, but most people still chose to drive full-sized
vehicles.
Surely you must remember when George Romney, as head of AMC, waged a
very
public war against "gas-guzzling dinosaurs" and "trundling tanks" that
were typical of the day. Yet people still kept buying them by the
millions.
Hybrids are a stop-gap at best. Hundreds of pounds of expensive
batteries,
and an insanely complex drivetrain, all to get about the same fuel
efficiency as a 1970s vintage VW Rabbit. (Thanks, but no thanks.) I
suspect those hybrid contraptions will be rotting in junkyards soon
enough
when the cost of battery replacement exceeds the car's overall value.
> "gee, you people are so stupid for buying these gas hogs we produced,
> you should trade in your obsolete 2006 gas hog and buy a 2006 Hybrid"
As I said, no thanks. I've been driving the same car for over 25 years
and have no plans to change any time soon. I'm certainly not going to
crap it up with some dicey experimental drivetrain just to save a few
bucks on gas.
> Why didn't the GOV step in and say "hey you just scammed America! You
Because we have a free market where people make decisions based on
their own needs, desires, and budgets. There is no scam involved,
and there are plenty of non-hybrid fuel-efficient vehicles for
people to buy if they so choose.
Frankly, you sound like you're about 15 years old.
Roger Blake
Response:
Well Roger, you are partially right and partially wrong.
"I guess you don't recall the 1950s and 1960s when many compact cars
were available, but most people still chose to drive full-sized
vehicles.
Surely you must remember when George Romney, as head of AMC, waged a
very
public war against "gas-guzzling dinosaurs" and "trundling tanks" that
were typical of the day. Yet people still kept buying them by the
millions."
The 50's and 60's were a good example. It was a time before everything
was "scam based". Today is a different story if you haven't noticed.
Today we have wars based on scams not on truth." I presume you are
representing yourself to be a mature man given your comment about me
being 15 years old. I am four times that but yes I also have that 15
year old experience as well as my 60 year old experience. I had some
wonderful 2 year old experinces as well. They say a 60 year old man is
not just 60 but a sum of all the experierences of hiw life. I think you
were just trying to attack me with a bully tacket which I learned about
at about 8 as I recall. I'll let you slide on that because I do see
some redeeming qualities in your response.
The 50's and 60's were some great years for autos as I recall them in
my youth and yes I do recall George Romney also as Governor of Michigan
since I was born and raised in Michigan. I was too young to have a
political opinion and politics have changed a great deal since and not
for the better.
Roger:
"Hybrids are a stop-gap at best. Hundreds of pounds of expensive
batteries,
and an insanely complex drivetrain, all to get about the same fuel
efficiency as a 1970s vintage VW Rabbit. (Thanks, but no thanks.) I
suspect those hybrid contraptions will be rotting in junkyards soon
enough
when the cost of battery replacement exceeds the car's overall value."
Roger, I totally agree and couldn't have said it better myself. This
is exactly why I say it's a Scam because you and I both know that "fuel
efficiency" has been accomplished years ago. When people buy a big car
or truck, some buy for the macho look etc. and granted they should be
shot. But some buy for that vehicle that will pull the boat the camper
and go in the back country on their few days off when both parents
aren't working.
Where I disagree with you is that you are trying to blame the public
for the Automobile companys mistakes. The auto cartel's existence is
based on building the car over and over and over again, not improving
it. If they build each car the best they could, new car dealers would
be non-existence and henceforth the country would save tons of energy.
The wasted energy is not because of the people driving but because of
the continuous manufacturing of automobiles that are already obsolete.
I happen to have a few old cars that I love. I refuse to buy new cars
with their airbag junk. They're ugly besides. I love the old 1920
vintage look myself in fact if you go to my website I propose building
the old classic bodies styles (even open air) with new high tech
chassis with hybrid drive systems. I agree with you on the hybrid
drives that teh auto cartel is building. People are only exchanging
their gas problems for battery problems. The answer is "Capacitors not
batterys" The answer to the capacitor is to make the body's the
capacitors so they serve dual purposes. How would this be done? by
space age material sandwiching thin film together in the shape of an
old vintage body style. You would have one small battery for starting
purposes only. The capacitors serve to store energy from regenerative
brakes and energy averaging such as up and down hills.
http://bdutton.web.aplus.net/foxfiregreenautomotive/
The key trick to an efficient vehicle is to use a small constant speed
engine-generator that runs at a constant, efficient RPM at the average
or mean power, not maximum power. It would drive standardized
independent wheel motors built within the wheels that are easily
replaceable. A vehicle can have all wheel drive, if a motor faults, no
big deal one has three motors left.
The engine of choice would be a small turbine engine the size of a
lunch box, but until then a small 3 or 4 cyl diesel using bio-diesel
that our farmers would produce without refineries and so on. The Oil
and Auto Cartels would become no existent in the future.
Autos would be built by real craftsmen in small towns as well as big
cities. Quality, Creativeness and Charater would be the focus as
opposed to Board of directors and Balance sheets and Bull ****.
One part of the big scam is, the two cartels are in bed togther. One
produces a demand for the other. One supplies the others demand. The
people pay coming and going.
People want one vehicle that serves all they purposes and to get that
from the auto cartel meean you have to have at least one gas hog. The
fact is you don't. The railroads are living proof. They build a
standard locomotive diesel electric. You have a big load? add more
engines.
We should be doing the same thing. A efficient vehicle with and
efficient drive system. Want to haul a big load, rent a trailer with
it's own powerplant driving it's own wheels. Your vehicle provides the
direction, the trailer provides the power and capacity.
Take an eighteen wheeler, the tractor would only provide power for it's
self to bobtail around the country. When it reached it's load, the
trailer is coupled and has it's own engine and drive wheels. the brains
are in your vehicle, the tractor. One tractor could pull as many
trailers as a train could and more. All wheels would be driven with
standardized wheel motors. The trailers would merely follow the brain,
the tractor in front. the trailer train on rubber, can be as long as
reason would allow for traffic. All wheels would have regenerative
braking and serve to average the power of the overall train vehicle.
All wheel speeds would be controlled by the master signal from the
tractor so no trailer or individual wheel could slip, spin or jackknife
or loose control. Rather than tracks, a tractor trailer train would run
on the road. which incedentally could be a high tech road in place of
the railroad tracks designed for commercial vehicles only, thereby
relieving the roads for smaller vehicles. The idea and concept is
endless but we have to be able to accept new ideas and get away from
the cartel mentality. .
If you feel this is a 15 year olds mentality, you are probably right
and we need to start listening to 15 year olds if that is the case, so
thank you, I'll accept that as a compliment.
Roger:
"As I said, no thanks. I've been driving the same car for over 25 years
and have no plans to change any time soon. I'm certainly not going to
crap it up with some dicey experimental drivetrain just to save a few
bucks on gas. "
Hurricane:
Nothing wrong with saving an old classic and keeping it "as is". What I
said and you missed is the auto cartel is still producing obsolete junk
by its own standards. Unless the auto cartel plans on recalling them
and retrofitting with a new efficient drive, they should be made to
recall and scrap out the old inefficient vehilces at their won
expense, other wise they will still be on the road burning gas along
with the new cars.
Roger wrote:
"Frankly, you sound like you're about 15 years old".
Hurricane:
Thank you for the compliment, cause the baby boomers have nothing to be
proud of. We have left this world in a hell of a mess for our children
and grandchildren, I cannot agree more and I'm one of the babyboomers.
Its not our world anymore like we acy like it is, it's our childrens
world and we should be listening to them better. Basically it sounds
like we somewhat agree but are on two different wave lenghts.
Also see http://foxfiretechnology.
You may also mis-interpret this as
well. This point is, if we want to save people, and energy here is a
plan to do it. If we want to produce jobs, churn money, make the rich
richer and the poor poorer and waste energy, keep doing the same thing
over and over. It's a matter of perspective. I personally don't give a
damned what people do but I'm not going to have a guilt trip over it
eaither either way. I'm not going to contribute my money year after
year for some hurricane disaster if people don't want to think smarter.
There are solutions if we want them and if we don't, we should keep
doing the same thing, over and over and over and. . . . . . .
Insanity is said to be described as doing the same thing over and over
and expecting different results. Isn't that where this country is
today?
Fairwinds friend
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