Re: OT Sold It!!!!!!!!!!!!

TBone wrote:

> You seem to think that 
> someone starting should have to work up to a living wage, not start at
one 
> and work up to a comfortable living.

You seem to think a company should pay a high salary to someone who has 
no skills and ignore the high costs a company endures to train them. 
Yes TBone, work your way up and quit expecting handouts and something 
for nothing.  Hard work earns rewards in life.  It's not given out 
freely as you want.


> And that's probably another problem because when I was looking for work,
it 
> seemed that the ones not putting a salary range in job posting usually
were 
> on the low side.  Not all of the time, but most of it.

Low end jobs post salaries.  High end jobs post no such thing or at most 
a possible wide range.  Guess I know what jobs you were looking for!

> IOW, get them in for the lowest cost possible. 

lol, nah, pay them as much as possible, way over what they are worth. 
Some peoples kids!

> The fact is Miles that there 
> are many people out there but they want or need more than people like
you 
> are willing to pay them.  

They want and need huh?  There is an economic system where people are 
paid based on need.  Why don't you move there?  I prefer one where pay 
is based on abilities and not wants and needs.  You want it?  Then learn 
and work for it.


> What is your general salary range for the 
> positions you are looking to fill Miles?

75K-100K+ for mechanical engineers depending on specific job and skills 
an applicant holds.

> Either way, Phoenix is a somewhat expensive area to live in and that
climate 
> pulls in a very specific type of person and maybe not the type of people

> that you need

lol, you have no clue about Phoenix!!  The southwest has been steadily 
out pacing growth compared to almost all areas of the USA.  Major 
cor****ations have all moved here, Banner, Target, Raytheon, Wells Fargo, 
Motorola and many more.

> I'll tell you what Miles, if you are uncomfortable listing salary ranges

> here, tell me what kind of lifestyle could a married employee with 2
kids 
> living in the Phoenix area talking one of these jobs that you are
offering 
> have on the low end of the benefits package you are offering.  

They could live quite nice considering the median income in Phoenix is 
$45,000 and most at my company make over that.  Keep it up TBone with 
your assumptions that my company must pay sub par wages.  You're barking 
up the wrong tree.