"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>> "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>>> Oil pressure is on only when the key is in the start position.
> Check
>> >>>>> engine should come on in run, stay on in start for a moment and
>> >>>>> then
>> >>>>> turn off.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Its close but a good tech might spot the patch and fail the
>> >>>>> vehicle.
>> >>>>> Right now there is a free retest for this one thing. It must
have
>> >>>>> passed for years like this.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You are starting to confuse me with you silliness. You are saying
in
>> >>>> this post that the tech will notice that the light's Self Test
Cycle
>> >>>> will be different, but in a different post you say that the owner
>> >>>> can
>> >>>> get away with telling the same tech that there is no Check Light
on
> his
>> >>>> truck?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are you trying to convince us that there are more incompetent
people
>> >>>> working on cars than you? I'm not buying it ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There you go with that reading between the lines and getting angry
> stuff
>> >>> again. I prefer to make the lamp work correctly, I'm just musing
> about
>> >>> why I didn't like the wire it to the oil lamp solution, I'm not
> finished
>> >>> yet.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There are some unexplained anomalies that might not throw off a
>> >>> professional automotive technician but if you want to come over and
> fix
>> >>> this POS for free then be my guest. To be fair, even a pro should
>> >>> not
>> >>> see this situation very often if ever, even a pro would wonder how
it
>> >>> passed smog check last time with no evidence that the wire has been
>> >>> there for many years. Either the last smog check tech was
>> >>> incompetent
>> >>> (the "test only" shops really are more thorough), or there is
another
>> >>> wire splice outside the cable bundle that failed that I have not
>> >>> found
>> >>> it yet (doubt it). The driver is too stupid to remember if it ever
> lit
>> >>> up and too poor to care so I have to play detective.
>> >>>
>> >>> I already posted my plan (connect pk/lg to t/r wire at test
> connector).
>> >>> Maybe tonight I can post the result. But first some voltage
>> >>> measurements, you don't think I would just guess without some
testing
> to
>> >>> back it up.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Okay, I finally finished. Well, at least as far as I care to. I
>> >> connected the wires as planned and now the check engine light works
> more
>> >> or less correctly.
>> >>
>> >> There was one thing. When started, the check engine light flashes
for
>> >> about 30 seconds (60 winks) and stops and stays off.
>> >>
>> >
>> > It is not supposed to flash. It will cause a failure at the smog
> station.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> That seems like an error code but I don't know if it will cause the
> smog
>> >> check to fail. The owner plans to have it retested tomorrow and if
it
>> >> fails, then get the referee at the DMV to rule.
>> >>
>> >> Now that all the pieces have come together I should have mentioned
>> >> that
>> >> there were plenty of unused connectors coming from both the chassis
>> >> and
>> >> engine wire harnesses. That makes sense in light of the missing
wire
>> >> now.
>> >>
>> >> Anybody know what 60 flashes means as an error code?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > The 60 flashes mean nothing.
>> >
>> > An error flash will be a morse code sort of flash, kinda. The actual
> flash
>> > will be a series of a couple of flashes followed by a pause then more
>> > flashes, a pause, and more flashes. Then the sequence will repeat
> itself.
>> >
>> > Depending on the system the engineers employed, there are dozens of
>> > variations on what codes can be displayed. My Bronco could display a
> code
>> > such as 562. It would flash 5 times, pause, then flash 6 times and
> pause,
>> > then flash 2 times, then repeat. If the door was open or the AC was
ON
> or
>> > the radio was working, there could be flashes for these items too.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> It doesn't look like a diagnostic code to me either, fla****ng exactly
>> like
>> that I have never actually heard of. I understood that diag codes are
>> two
>> digit, shorter and usually require you to do something beyond start the
> car
>> to see it. I suspect it will fail as well but I only set out to get
the
>> lamp working, not fix any new problems it reviels (BTW, the smog levels
>> measured were all fairly low, the truck p***** otherwise).
>
> I've read all your posts in this thread and I'm going to jump in with my
> $0.02. I know it is going to sound cruel and heartless - but you need
to
> turn your back and walk away from this one.
>
> Your working on a vehicle that is a Frankenstein's monster. Just about
> everything made in '88 had a CEL. Does the vehicle have an O2 sensor,
> a catcon, and fuel injection or a computer-controlled carburetor? If it
> does,
> then it has an engine computer. And if it has an engine computer it has
> a CEL.
>
> If the vehicle has passing emissions, then -all- the vehicle
-mechanical-
> systems having to do with emissions are good, -and- the engine computer
> is connected to a few critical sensors, o2/maf-map/tps and it's still
> controlling
> the fuel injection. But beyond that ALL bets are off. The computer in
> the vehicle could have a dozen other sensors it's supposed to be looking
> at
> data from that are either disconnected or are not even there, on account
> of
> the engine swap.
>
> If you ask me (and you didn't but I'm gonna tell you anyway) the day the
> CEL
> stopped working was the day that Clive finished the engine swap using
> implements he raided out of his wife's kitchen drawers. Who the hell
> knows
> how the vehicle survived this long after that - for all you know, the
> owner
> used to boff an aircare tech who let her through, and said tech finally
> made
> enough money to buy a pocket *****. But how is irrelevant. This isn't
> your vehicle, and you are not helping the owner take responsibility for
> his or her life by letting them avoid responsibility for their vehicle
> that
> they own.
>
> This vehicle should have been sold off to someone in the sticks where
they
> don't require IM testing, after Clive's engine swap. It has no fricken
> business
> running around in the middle of a metropolitian area, and whoever
> arrainged
> that to happen was completely irresponsible.
>
> These days the US is awash in used cars. Hell, I had the dickens of a
> time
> selling one of mine last week - and I'll tell you this. For a vehicle
> that
> everything other than the air conditioning worked in it, with good
> emissions,
> a set of rear tires with less than 2K miles on them, body straight and
> freshly washed and vacuumed, and 50K miles on a rebuilt engine which
> had been rebuilt by one of the best rebuilders in the area, do you want
to
> know what I got for it? $550.00, that's what. It cost me more to
insure
> the vehicle for a year than the vehicle is worth. Well at least I got
the
> driveway space back.
>
> If you really want to help the owner, then go out there and help her
find
> a really good, solid, everything working, used car for under $1K, and
> after it's titled in her name, just have her sign the release on the
title
> and hold the title, and she can pay you $25 a month or whatever until
> it's paid off. And take her POS car now and sell it off. The
difference
> remaining will probably put her owing you less than $500 and she can
> probably have that paid in a year.
>
> That's actually HELPING someone to get something better going in their
> life. What your doing now isn't helping, it's just bandaiding a rolling
> problem that she don't need to have f'ing up her life more right now.
>
> Ted
>
>
Thats reasonable advice but in CA you cannot legally sell a car without
passing a smog check first so if it fails, it's the junk yard or non-op.
I
already give this welfare ho a place to live in, a TV to watch, a phone to
talk on, and a fridge to put her food in (and some food for her daughter)
and countelss tips on how to find a job. and she's not even my ho. I
don't
really want to front her the money for a car even a POS since her tab is
already hopeless. (this all came up because the car she was using got
repo'd).
I'd cut her and her truck loose but I still care about keeping her from
screwing up her daughters life.
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