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> "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "pipedown" <pipedown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>> news:94GdnaUb4dXux6_VnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> Oil pressure is on only when the key is in the start position.
> > Check
> >> >>>>> engine should come on in run, stay on in start for a moment and
> >> >>>>> then
> >> >>>>> turn off.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Its close but a good tech might spot the patch and fail the
> >> >>>>> vehicle.
> >> >>>>> Right now there is a free retest for this one thing. It must
have
> >> >>>>> passed for years like this.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You are starting to confuse me with you silliness. You are
saying
in
> >> >>>> this post that the tech will notice that the light's Self Test
Cycle
> >> >>>> will be different, but in a different post you say that the
owner
> >> >>>> can
> >> >>>> get away with telling the same tech that there is no Check Light
on
> > his
> >> >>>> truck?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Are you trying to convince us that there are more incompetent
people
> >> >>>> working on cars than you? I'm not buying it ...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There you go with that reading between the lines and getting
angry
> > stuff
> >> >>> again. I prefer to make the lamp work correctly, I'm just musing
> > about
> >> >>> why I didn't like the wire it to the oil lamp solution, I'm not
> > finished
> >> >>> yet.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There are some unexplained anomalies that might not throw off a
> >> >>> professional automotive technician but if you want to come over
and
> > fix
> >> >>> this POS for free then be my guest. To be fair, even a pro
should
> >> >>> not
> >> >>> see this situation very often if ever, even a pro would wonder
how
it
> >> >>> passed smog check last time with no evidence that the wire has
been
> >> >>> there for many years. Either the last smog check tech was
> >> >>> incompetent
> >> >>> (the "test only" shops really are more thorough), or there is
another
> >> >>> wire splice outside the cable bundle that failed that I have not
> >> >>> found
> >> >>> it yet (doubt it). The driver is too stupid to remember if it
ever
> > lit
> >> >>> up and too poor to care so I have to play detective.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I already posted my plan (connect pk/lg to t/r wire at test
> > connector).
> >> >>> Maybe tonight I can post the result. But first some voltage
> >> >>> measurements, you don't think I would just guess without some
testing
> > to
> >> >>> back it up.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, I finally finished. Well, at least as far as I care to. I
> >> >> connected the wires as planned and now the check engine light
works
> > more
> >> >> or less correctly.
> >> >>
> >> >> There was one thing. When started, the check engine light flashes
for
> >> >> about 30 seconds (60 winks) and stops and stays off.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > It is not supposed to flash. It will cause a failure at the smog
> > station.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> That seems like an error code but I don't know if it will cause
the
> > smog
> >> >> check to fail. The owner plans to have it retested tomorrow and
if
it
> >> >> fails, then get the referee at the DMV to rule.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now that all the pieces have come together I should have mentioned
> >> >> that
> >> >> there were plenty of unused connectors coming from both the
chassis
> >> >> and
> >> >> engine wire harnesses. That makes sense in light of the missing
wire
> >> >> now.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anybody know what 60 flashes means as an error code?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The 60 flashes mean nothing.
> >> >
> >> > An error flash will be a morse code sort of flash, kinda. The
actual
> > flash
> >> > will be a series of a couple of flashes followed by a pause then
more
> >> > flashes, a pause, and more flashes. Then the sequence will repeat
> > itself.
> >> >
> >> > Depending on the system the engineers employed, there are dozens of
> >> > variations on what codes can be displayed. My Bronco could display
a
> > code
> >> > such as 562. It would flash 5 times, pause, then flash 6 times and
> > pause,
> >> > then flash 2 times, then repeat. If the door was open or the AC was
ON
> > or
> >> > the radio was working, there could be flashes for these items too.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It doesn't look like a diagnostic code to me either, fla****ng exactly
> >> like
> >> that I have never actually heard of. I understood that diag codes
are
> >> two
> >> digit, shorter and usually require you to do something beyond start
the
> > car
> >> to see it. I suspect it will fail as well but I only set out to get
the
> >> lamp working, not fix any new problems it reviels (BTW, the smog
levels
> >> measured were all fairly low, the truck p***** otherwise).
> >
> > I've read all your posts in this thread and I'm going to jump in with
my
> > $0.02. I know it is going to sound cruel and heartless - but you need
to
> > turn your back and walk away from this one.
> >
> > Your working on a vehicle that is a Frankenstein's monster. Just
about
> > everything made in '88 had a CEL. Does the vehicle have an O2 sensor,
> > a catcon, and fuel injection or a computer-controlled carburetor? If
it
> > does,
> > then it has an engine computer. And if it has an engine computer it
has
> > a CEL.
> >
> > If the vehicle has passing emissions, then -all- the
vehicle -mechanical-
> > systems having to do with emissions are good, -and- the engine
computer
> > is connected to a few critical sensors, o2/maf-map/tps and it's still
> > controlling
> > the fuel injection. But beyond that ALL bets are off. The computer
in
> > the vehicle could have a dozen other sensors it's supposed to be
looking
> > at
> > data from that are either disconnected or are not even there, on
account
> > of
> > the engine swap.
> >
> > If you ask me (and you didn't but I'm gonna tell you anyway) the day
the
> > CEL
> > stopped working was the day that Clive finished the engine swap using
> > implements he raided out of his wife's kitchen drawers. Who the hell
> > knows
> > how the vehicle survived this long after that - for all you know, the
> > owner
> > used to boff an aircare tech who let her through, and said tech
finally
> > made
> > enough money to buy a pocket *****. But how is irrelevant. This
isn't
> > your vehicle, and you are not helping the owner take responsibility
for
> > his or her life by letting them avoid responsibility for their vehicle
> > that
> > they own.
> >
> > This vehicle should have been sold off to someone in the sticks where
they
> > don't require IM testing, after Clive's engine swap. It has no
fricken
> > business
> > running around in the middle of a metropolitian area, and whoever
> > arrainged
> > that to happen was completely irresponsible.
> >
> > These days the US is awash in used cars. Hell, I had the dickens of a
> > time
> > selling one of mine last week - and I'll tell you this. For a vehicle
> > that
> > everything other than the air conditioning worked in it, with good
> > emissions,
> > a set of rear tires with less than 2K miles on them, body straight and
> > freshly washed and vacuumed, and 50K miles on a rebuilt engine which
> > had been rebuilt by one of the best rebuilders in the area, do you
want
to
> > know what I got for it? $550.00, that's what. It cost me more to
insure
> > the vehicle for a year than the vehicle is worth. Well at least I got
the
> > driveway space back.
> >
> > If you really want to help the owner, then go out there and help her
find
> > a really good, solid, everything working, used car for under $1K, and
> > after it's titled in her name, just have her sign the release on the
title
> > and hold the title, and she can pay you $25 a month or whatever until
> > it's paid off. And take her POS car now and sell it off. The
difference
> > remaining will probably put her owing you less than $500 and she can
> > probably have that paid in a year.
> >
> > That's actually HELPING someone to get something better going in their
> > life. What your doing now isn't helping, it's just bandaiding a
rolling
> > problem that she don't need to have f'ing up her life more right now.
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
>
> Thats reasonable advice but in CA you cannot legally sell a car without
> passing a smog check first
List it on craigslist in Oregon or Nevada. Oregon does not have statewide
IM testing, it is only in the cities, and the DMV doesen't give a damn
about
CA laws. And Nevada is also very easy to sell and register a car in and I
don't think they have IM testing in all areas either. Trucks are still
saleable
in the sticks where there's no IM testing, at least, cheap ones are. How
the
buyer fetches the car is their business, most people just buy a bus ticket
and drive it home. If it's running and priced cheap enough, someone will
buy it.
> so if it fails, it's the junk yard or non-op. I
> already give this welfare ho a place to live in, a TV to watch, a phone
to
> talk on, and a fridge to put her food in (and some food for her
daughter)
> and countelss tips on how to find a job. and she's not even my ho.
Ouch!
> I don't
> really want to front her the money for a car even a POS since her tab is
> already hopeless. (this all came up because the car she was using got
> repo'd).
>
> I'd cut her and her truck loose but I still care about keeping her from
> screwing up her daughters life.
>
Well, right now she is teaching her daughter that it's OK to lie around
and not get a job, and sponge off other people, if this keeps up her
daughter's life is going to be screwed up anyway, just differently. So
there are no easy choices either way. But it's easy to see what is
going on here, I'm sure she is using the nonfunctional truck as an excuse
not to look for a job.
You have my sympathy, I've encountered leeches before in my life
and they have a way of just taking and taking and taking more and
more of your time, energy, and money, until one day you just can't
stand it anymore, daughter or no daughter, the leech then jumps to
another host. They almost have a sixth sense about who will make
a suitable host. If she is under your roof with no job, then your
instincts are right, giving her money is the worst thing you can do.
Your best shot is applying a bit of parenting. Rent a
storage locker, then go through your house and remove every last thing
that smacks of "adult entertainment", that is, all TV sets, all radios,
all fiction books, all magazines, in short, every last possible thing
that could possibly serve as a diversion or provide amusement for
an adult. Call your phone company and switch your landline phone
over to "911 calls only" Stop working on her car. Tell her that
when she gets a job on a bus line, you will bring back magazines
into the house. When she holds the job for a month, you will
turn the phone back on. When she holds it for 6 months you will
bring back the TV set. And so on.
If she pulls the passive agressive "I'll sit and do nothing" then ignore
her. Trust me, they all think they can pull that and win, but they
can't manage it, they don't have the discipline.
Basically, you have a 25 year old child here, who wasn't raised
properly by her own parents. Your going to have to do the raising.
If she doesen't like it, tough, there's always the door. And don't allow
her to continue to hold her daughter over your head as a kind of
lever to keep the situation static. Her daughter isn't your
responsibility,
you can make it clear that daughter is welcome TO VISIT if she
decides you have no right to tell her what to do and leaves.
As for the car, you need to make it clear that the car is at the end
of it's life. If she won't sign the title over so that you can dispose of
it at a wrecker and at least get some money out of it, then call the local
city and ask what the procedure is for getting junk cars towed. Make
it clear that if it's towed she will get nothing, otherwise you will hold
whatever the wrecker gives for it.
And seriously, what YOU need is a parenting sup****t group. There's
bound to be at least one in the area. She may not be your kid, but
it sounds like she is acting like a spoiled brat and it also sounds like
you never had the pleasure of raising a spoiled brat (lucky you) and
you don't have the tools to cope with it.
Just keep this in the back of your mind. welfare ho knows she is
taking you for a chump. She may not be smart enough to verbalize
that, but she unconsciously knows it. Well, the fact is that people
don't respect people who they can take advantage of, and so it
is no wonder she is ignoring your advice. You absolutely have to
grow a spine and start applying some tough love - I don't mean
threatening to boot her out the door, I mean basically taking
charge of her life for her, and telling her what to do, just like you
would tell a 12 year old to go clean his room. You don't have to
give her ultimatims, you just have to tell her to do something, then
when she ignores it, you go get in her personal space and stand
over her until she does it, just like your own mom stood over you to
make you eat your peas. Her own mom never did that to her, which
is why she is like she is, and deep down, she really needs someone
to do that.
Good luck!
Ted
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