I don't doubt if there are Toyota employees in these groups against
badmouthing people who realized Lexus really have nothing under the
sheet metal.
I think mcbrue you are right, people who have owned true luxury cars,
even mainstream ones like BMW and Mercedes, can *easily and quickly*
tell that Lexus is really isn't a luxury car but a dolled up Toyota.
That's all.
On Mar 26, 8:08 pm, mcbrue <mcb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Thank you for your thoughtfull and thorough reviews! This sort of
> information is why we come to these usegoups. My own history with
> Lexus covers three cars from Lexus over the years since 1993. I had
> always gone up in quality of cars purchased and when I got the first
> Lexus ES300 it was great! Then I moved to Mercedes and my wife stayed
> with another ES. After my second Mercedes, an S class, I moved back to
> a 2006 LS430 ultra. To keep it very short, I find the car sorely
> lacking. And the lack is in the engineering details that distinguish
> the true luxury car from the near luxury car. It would not be
> difficult for the Lexus engineers to sit and think how to make the
> "goodies" truly good! Regarding my car, I could go on for pages
> describing the minor changes that would vastly improve the car and end
> many great frustrations. On the other hand, certainly the
> dependability of the Lexus (ignore the radar, bumper sensors, and air
> suspensors) is vastly superior to the Mercedes. Adding it all up - the
> Lexus has many, many, many problems which prevent it from being
> considered a true Luxury car. And the amazing thing is that I have
> never been contacted by their vaunted QC system to get my opinion!
> This is a true shortcoming of such a system - ignoring the unhappy
> customer who can contribute many ideas for improvement. And I must
> warn DanO and Muzzy that you are likely to be rather strongly attacked
> by the "inhabitants" of this news group. Many of them take a negative
> view of the cars as a personal attack on them - perhaps they are
> employees of Lexus. Maybe we won't hear from them, but feel free to
> ignore them if we do. And again, thank you for your re****ts. I have
> had a few experiences with my own nav system which lead me to view it
> as being strongly capable of improvement, but I have no other
> experience to judge it against.


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