Re: Intake Gasket Failure Question

In article <0ZK5e.935335$8l.174982@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 "****den_kai" <violet_lightening_modified@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Bon·ne·ville wrote:
> 
> > 2.2 Ecotec? I havent seen or heard of any issues like that with the
> > Ecotecs. After doing regular maintenance on quite a few of those I've
> > come to have a lot of respect for them. They're very well layed out
> > and the only 4 cylinder engine I actually like, aside from antique
> > motorcycle engines...
> 
> He wasn't talking about the Ecotec engine.
> 
> > I'm talking about "engines breaking". GM engines are hard to break,
> > unless you never pop the hood to check fluids... Luck has little to do
> > with it. It has more to do with catching problems before they blow up
> > in ones face. My dad had a jeep with a warped head... I wouldnt call
> > that "breaking". My 3800 had a coolant leak that I addressed right
> > away but the engine wasnt what I would call broke. Our cars havent
> > been "without problems" but theres no reason to get a hair up ones
> > ass over little issues like coolant leaks. I'd drop 600 bucks on a
> > 3800 to have the gaskets and intake repaired "the way I fix them".
> > That engine is worth the investment.
> 
> Your definition of "breaking" is different from what other people
> consider "breakage".  The problems with the Gen II 3800 are
> quite a bit more then "little" issues.  I guess you haven't encountered
> as many as I have that come in at certain mileages needing well
> over 2 grand worth of work just to fix "little coolant/oil leak issues".
> Pretty unacceptable for most folks that own them.
> 
> Ian 

Ian, show him the pictures of the broken 3.1 camshaft, maybe 
-that- fits his definition of "breaking."  ;-)