In article <_Yb5j.442$g26.241@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Codifus <codifus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> David Geesaman wrote:
> > George wrote:
> >
> >> Before I could get under way, I noticed a metallic rubbing sound
> >> coming from the transmission while still in neutral (I have a 5-speed
> >> manual.) When the clutch is *in* I don't get the sound, but when it
is
> >> *out* (engaged) I get it quite loudly. Don't forget, this is all
while
> >> in neutral! I never ****fted into first, and did not move the car.
> >
> >
> > These sounds are typical of a bad input shaft bearing. It typically
> > doesn't start happening all at once, and usually most when the tranny
is
> > cold. When in neutral, clutch out, the input shaft and a couple of
> > gears are the only things turning.
> >
> > Could it be that you turned off the radio and just started to notice
it?
No, the sound started after my work. I am highly tuned-in to expensive
noises. I wonder if is possible to damage that bearing doing a drive
axle R&R?
> > Did you happen to start the car while the front end was lifted? Did
you
> > drain any tranny oil and not replace it?
Did not start the car until I was done and the car was back on the
ground. Did not drain the tranny because I was not trying to remove the
axle. If it slipped out it was only because of a ham-fisted accident on
my part disassembling and reassembling the CV joint on-car.
> > If you put the clutch in, the input shaft disengages from the engine
and
> > coasts to a stop and the noise goes away. When you drive, the load
from
> > the me****ng gears pushes the bearings tight and they don't tend to be
as
> > noisy.
Sounds obvious when put that way! I have rebuilt engines, but
transmission internals were never my area of expertise, least of all
manual transmissions.
> > I'm not sure what in your procedure would have caused input shaft
> > problems, but your symptoms are solidly pointed towards bad input
shaft
> > bearings.
> >
> > Dave
> I would also re-emphasize the tranny oil. Surely some fell out when you
> removed the axle. Did you make sure to refill?
No oil leaked out, looked under the car every day now and saw nothing.
In fairness, I believe from other sources on the internet that draining
the transmission is not a requirement for axle R&R (at least on a
5-speed) so it's possible fluid doesn't come out. I know, it sounds
strange to me, too.
I haven't done anything to the car since Saturday night. Have an idea...
I tried to drive the car just now, but I let the clutch out in drive and
reverse and got the same noise as before. Furthermore THE CAR DIDN'T
MOVE. Couldn't go. However the speedometer showed I was moving after I
let the clutch out in gear! I tried up to about 10MPH.
I guess now that the axle must be not engaged into the transmission at
all and I must have an open diff. Saturday I am going to try to remove
and reinstall that axle, see what happens. I really messed up the
threads for the axle nut by hammering and the CV joint was kind of ugly
and greaseless so I'll just get a new axle (they are under $100) and try
again.
I have scoured the internet and cannot get good info on this problem.
Axle removals/installs are common but not my exact problem.
I will post back this weekend if it doesn't snow and I can work on the
car. I will check this NG daily. Thanks for the input!
BTW, I cannot see the post from David Geesman, only the part quoted by
Codifus. Don't have any explanation for that unless David's posts don't
get to Verizon's news server.
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