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Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE

by Ralph Hertle <ralph.hertle@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 21, 2008 at 05:01 PM

Dave:

David Geesaman wrote:
[..]
> Well if it weren't for highway on-ramps I could probably do that.
> 
> With 89 I still get in it 100% at times and it's never pinged.  I could 
> try that with 87 but somehow I think that won't work.



.. . . . . . . . . . . .

You can't hear most of the knocking sounds. That pinging is most audible 
when you drive uphill or get on the accelerator. Knocking or pinging is 
nonetheless harmful to the engine.

The knock sensor retards the timing of the ignition spark. If you used 
the pure 80 Octane regular unleaded gas that was common during the 1950s 
you would find that your ignition timing would be retarded to 15 to 30 
degrees after dead center. With my old Ford with 9:1 Isky heads that gas 
would knock nearly all the time. That's bad for aluminum. A MAX has high 
compression, aluminum heads and aluminum pistons.

That degree of retardation means that the fuel doesn't have time to burn 
completely, and the losses are in torque, low RPM max, and fuel economy. 
If pre-ignition, that is, instantaneous burning, occurs, the fuel is 
burned inefficiently. The computerized knock sensor ignition and fuel 
injector controls make it possible to drive using low octane gas 
including 89 octane-rated, and possibly some as low as 80 octane-rated, 
however, lower means a risk to the machinery, especially if you drive 
with more than just a little throttle opening.

During the 1950s you could even find 60 octane-rated gas. That was 
impossible to use due to the pinging. That was probable hexane, pentane, 
or with paraffins and who knows what else.

Why not 180 degrees BDC retardation? The engine equipment can't retard 
that much due to mechanical limitations.

Read the technical literature. There probably have been more studies 
done on auto engine fuels than on any other topic, I would guess. There 
are scads of data and re****ts available.

Today, it is the best policy to take advantage of the higher compression 
ratio of the engine and higher possible cylinder pressures using the 
higher-rated octane gas stated in the car manual. With the proper 
ignition advance before TDC, and the proper rated slower burning fuel, 
the fuel will be burned slowly and evenly instead of instantly and 
explosively. With the recommended fuel rating you will have the best 
possible fuel economy, torque and durability.

Ralph Hertle
 




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Terrible mileage 99 GLE
aspasia   2008-03-11 01:41:21 
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codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-11 14:32:41 
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aspasia   2008-03-11 17:17:10 
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codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-12 07:06:14 
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codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-12 07:08:55 
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codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-12 07:58:02 
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skanesh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-07 17:54:05 
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codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-05-09 09:12:35 
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aspasia   2008-03-13 17:54:52 
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Codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-13 21:55:07 
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David Geesaman <dgeesa  2008-03-13 22:09:36 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Ralph Hertle <ralph.he  2008-03-17 17:29:09 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
David Geesaman <dgeesa  2008-03-17 17:58:44 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-17 18:58:00 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Ralph Hertle <ralph.he  2008-03-18 12:28:36 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
David Geesaman <dgeesa  2008-03-18 17:36:59 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-18 20:03:13 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
David Geesaman <dgeesa  2008-03-18 20:45:07 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Ralph Hertle <ralph.he  2008-03-21 17:01:09 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-03-22 23:29:24 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Ralph Hertle <ralph.he  2008-03-23 05:42:29 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
Ralph Hertle <ralph.he  2008-03-23 05:46:45 
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George <not.real@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:56:12 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
aspasia   2008-05-08 19:57:05 
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aspasia   2008-05-08 15:49:24 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
codifus <codifus@[EMAI  2008-05-09 09:11:22 
Re: Terrible mileage 99 GLE
aspasia   2008-05-09 12:36:41 
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aspasia   2008-05-09 12:33:13 

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