On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:47:06 +0000, Jeff wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:37:57 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the sup****t
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Re****ts
>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>
>> There are a couple problems with American car manufacturers in general,
>> and GM in particular:
>>
>> The workforce gets bored easily. Bored workers do fair work.
>
> How does this affect GM workers more than other workers? Or Ford and
> Chrysler workers more than the workers for the foreign automakers?
The others have a tendancy to move them around more...
>
>> The Management is more interested in making shareholders happy than
>> customers.
>
> Chrysler does not have shareholders.
And the Chryslers I have had were better than any GMs we had.
Interesting to see how this plays out. If Chrysler can get over the
Butt-Uglies!
>
>> And the biggest failure of the system: even if your people are building
>> the cars the best they can, the car is no better than the quality of
the
>> parts that go into it.
>
> This is true for US-made Hondas and Toyotas, too.
My US made Honda was GREAT! I was leery of buying a US made Honda, but
where I live JH vins are rare. I was amazingly surprised. Of course, a lot
of the parts caem from Japan.
However, the fit wasn't quite up to Japanese standards. One fender was off
a bit, and some inside trim was off. Big deal! The car went 220,000
trouble-free miles.
>
>> This is where the Japanese really kick ass. The parts are far more
>> reliable than their American counterparts. Remember what happened when
>> GM sytarted making Corollas (Geo Prizm)? They put Delco parts into
them!
>> The highest failure components on a Prizm are the alternator and the
>> radio. Smart people who realize they have a Corolla in disguise go to a
>> Toyota dealer and buy a rebuilt Denso alternator and drive for the next
>> 150,000+ miles without even thinking about it.
>>
>> Once GM starts thinking Customer over shareholder, and quality parts
>> rather than cheap parts, GM will again regain it's composure and move
>> back to the top. And I don't mean in sales. You give people a large
>> enough incentive, they'll buy the car no matter how crummy. I ALMOST
>> went to look at a Cobalt, because a new one was $3,000 less than the
>> Scion I bought with 11,500 miles. Bit based on the reliability figures
>> of the Cavalier the Cobalt replaced, the idea left my head in 5
minutes.
>>
>> If GM can get their parts manufacturers to approach the quality and
>> longevity of Denso, Hitachi, etc, GM might once again become #1 in
>> QUALITY, and not just pu****ng cars to rental agencies to boost sales...
>
> GM and Ford have decreased sales to rental fleets.
But GMs incetives get better and better. The guy whose place I took on the
Dell job wants to sell the car he was using for work, because he bought a
new Silverado. He was looking at a Tacoma, but the Chevy dealer bent
himself in half to sell the truck, coming in $2,000 under Toyota's price.
>
> Jeff
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