Re: In what distance would a Bugatti Veyron beat that Vauxhall dragster?

"Doc" <docsavage20@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jul 12, 2:59 pm, "Burgerman" <burger...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> > Notably the speed at which it will leave the road trying to maintain
>> > speeds it isn't suited to maintain or the first time it tries to
match
>> > that Veyron in negotiating a turn at speed.
>>
>> > :-)
>>
>> But turns were not part of your question?
>
>
> Well, my original question was distance, you (or someone) threw in the
> concept of a "highway chase".

Not me I think?

>
> I wasn't envisioning any kind of traffic interference - for one
> because racing in traffic is plain stupid and dangerous - especially
> to others - and people who do it should be publicly
> executed...slowly.
>
> Even if it's just a straight Bonneville run, logic dictates there's no
> way the Veyron loses.

Very wrong - Logic and physics dictates that the Vauxhall would totally 
destroy the road car at all speeds other than flat out where the vauxhall 
should be only v slightly faster.


No way is that Vauxhall with drag gears capable
> of maintaining the kind of speeds that Veyron can with ease and he'd
> be a fool to try.

Nobody knows the Vauxhalls final drive ratio. And in any case he could 
choose the best one for the challenge on the day in minutes.
As for "he would be a fool to try" that would be your unqualified opinion.

Personally I dont see a big risk but I am an ex serious bike drag racer, 
tuner, nitrous system builder, and inertial dynamometer designer and
builder 
(amongst other related stuff)  and you are what? Shelf stacker? Only a 
guess...


 >  He's still got his homebuilt budget suspension -

You dont understand suspension. I have driven ridden 200mph stuff with
none. 
Not an issue.




> let's face it most of the money is in the engine,  pathetic
> aerodynamics,

By which you mean what? Low drag? No its going to be draggy. He does not 
care he has 4x the power!
Or stability. One of my hats is serious high speed aerodynamics. Stability

only requires that the centre of pressure is as far behind the c of g as
you 
can manage. And n a car "some" but not exessive downforce. Thats EASY to 
arange with a square shaped car. Its actually harder with a low drag shape

like a veyron because its " rounded" ... The point where the airflow 
detaches in a gusty or crosswind situation changes position. Since this is

assemetric it tries to destabilise the car. Anyway TRUST ME when I tell
you 
that an old vauxhall is easier to make stable at high speed than a jelly 
mould shape...



and an engine that was designed to go like hell for
> under 10 seconds.

As a seriously high power engine tuner and dyno designer and drag racer I 
can tell you now that a really high output engine will die in 2  to 5 secs

if its "wrong" ... And the opposite is also true, the more boost you have 
the richer and more retarded ignition you need to use.

Sorry but your 10 secs is plucked from mid air simply because you dont 
understand enough about the subject.


He tries to hold high speeds against that Veyron's
> infinitely more sophisticated powertrain, suspension and aerodynamics
> he's either A) gonna die when it gets away from him

Thats possible but still you seem to think its inevitable where I as a 
serious and seasoned drag racer thinks its not even an issue!


B) his engine is
> going to fail spectacularly where he might also die as a result.

If the engine breaks he just slows down and is disapointed. You watch too 
many films...

>
> At some point he's going to reach his terminal speed and the Veyron
> catches him and p***** him....

Physics dictates that the vauxhall with 3x the power will actually have a 
better top speed by a small margin gearing allowing.

or p***** the burning wreck on the side
> of the road that used to be the Vauxhall.

Imagination running away with you? Sorry but I have been to too many
record 
events and drag meetings for that to make any sense.