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Re: Consumer Re****ts reliability survey for Cars

by "Willy" <wesk@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 23, 2008 at 09:04 PM

"Mortimer" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jul 23, 2:34 pm, E Meyer <epmeye...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On 7/23/08 10:46 AM, in article
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"N8N"
>
> I've had quite a few 80's era watercooled VWs over the years and I can
> honestly say that only two were in any way finicky - my '89 GTI 16V,
> because it was a resurrected "barn car" (once I replaced pretty much
> any accessory with bearings, it was quite reliable - I eventually sold
> it to a friend who drove it daily until a year or two ago when she
> sold it) and SWMBO's '90 Corrado G60, because it's a Corrado and those
> aren't up to normal VW standards.
>
> My cars were not pampered - sat outside 24/7, expected to start on a
> moment's notice after sitting for a week or more, be able to drive up
> and down the east coast without any preparation, etc. and they never
> let me down.
>
>
> ====
>
>
> I had two VW Golfs (1.8 petrol - a 1988 Mark II and a 1993 Mark III). I 
> was generally very pleased with them, though they were fairly expensive
to 
> maintain because of the high cost of parts, even in the UK which is not
as 
> far from Germany as, for example, the USA is.
>
> The first car (which had a carburettor) had a problem with its automatic

> choke which occasionally in hot weather made the engine race - very 
> embarrassingly once when I got stuck in a traffic jam on the infamous
M25 
> motorway ("London's orbital car-park"!) and I had to turn off the engine

> every time I came to a stand-still and then slip the clutch like mad to 
> crawl forward a few feet. But that was fixed fairly quickly and under 
> warranty.
>
> The second one developed an annoying problem where the engine kept
losing 
> power or hesitating. It kept going back to the garage and they could
never 
> find anything. Eventually they decided to keep it for a week and loan me

> another car in the meantime so they could give it a good test. On the
last 
> day the mechanic rang up in a state of considerable elation and yelled 
> "It's just gone wrong! I know what it is! I've fixed it!" - it was the 
> throttle sensor which detects the position of the throttle pedal and
feeds 
> the info to the engine management unit: this had developed a fault. The 
> component cost a few quid but the labour was going to be several hundred

> pounds... until I was able to produce a garage receipt showing that the 
> car was still within the mileage limit for the warranty when I first 
> re****ted the fault, so VW head office eventually agreed to pay up.
>
> The first car was lovely - much more lively than the other one though
the 
> power and torque were very similar. Only slight design flaw: the sill at

> the base of the windscreen had tiny drain holes into the wheel arches
and 
> these easily got blocked. Once day after torrential rain overnight I got

> into the car and found I was paddling in six inches of water! Having got

> the majority of the water out with buckets and mopped up with towels, I 
> then spent one weekend removing the seats and then the carpet so I could

> wash the carpets (which had started to smell - especially the underlay).

> It was weird driving around with bare metal floor and only my seat ;-)
>
> Fuel economy was not brilliant - about 30-35 mpg (UK) which is about
24-28 
> mpg (US).
>
> I now have a Peugeot 306 diesel which has just done 129,000 miles and is

> still going strong after nine years. 50-55 mpg, bullet-proof, starts
first 
> time every time whatever the weather. But it's getting to the age when 
> expensive things are starting to need attention: new catalytic
converter, 
> replacement cambelt (scheduled), two new fanbelts (unplanned - second
one 
> was because garage that fitted first one didn't notice that a pulley was

> wobbly so it took out the belt after about a month - GRRRRR!).
>
> I'm not sure what I'd replace it with because I don't like the Peugeot
307 
> or 308, and the VW Golf is very expensive for what it is and, like so
many 
> modern cars, has one of these not-fit-for-purpose spacesaver spare
wheels. 
> Also the rear seats don't remove so I wouldn't be able to carry my
bicycle 
> as easily. The Honda Civic (new shape) and the Citroen C4 are gimmicky 
> (digital instruments in the centre of the dashboard).
>
> Ford and Vauxhall - boring!
>



And Peugeot in the US...  cannot be had.  Too bad as they seem to perform 
beautifully now days, but crashed and burned when they were in the states.

Willy
 




 39 Posts in Topic:
Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Built_Well <Built_Well  2008-07-23 08:38:05 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
kludge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-23 11:45:52 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-23 15:49:20 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Edwin Pawlowski&quo  2008-07-23 21:22:19 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-24 09:46:28 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Ashton Crusher <demi@[  2008-07-26 22:49:01 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"C. E. White" &  2008-07-27 11:41:12 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-23 08:46:24 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
E Meyer <epmeyer50@[EM  2008-07-23 18:34:51 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Mark A" <no  2008-07-23 15:05:01 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Built_Well <Built_Well  2008-07-23 09:10:19 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-23 11:11:22 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-23 12:05:24 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Mark A" <no  2008-07-23 15:11:37 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Mortimer" <  2008-07-23 20:31:36 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Willy" <wes  2008-07-23 21:04:52 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Mortimer" <  2008-07-24 09:05:18 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Mark A" <no  2008-07-24 05:02:18 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-23 12:17:19 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
gnu linux <rob.fruth@[  2008-07-23 15:04:41 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
PerfectReign <theperfe  2008-07-23 15:30:26 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Ray <ray@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-23 22:40:43 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
johngdole@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-07-23 18:14:26 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Built_Well <Built_Well  2008-07-23 20:31:04 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"SC Tom" <sc  2008-07-24 07:00:42 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"C. E. White" &  2008-07-24 17:00:00 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
coachrose13@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-23 20:45:35 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
<mechanic@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-24 04:27:29 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
<mechanic@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-24 04:28:14 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Calab" <mys  2008-07-24 05:37:10 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
PerfectReign <theperfe  2008-07-24 07:45:54 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Built_Well <Built_Well  2008-07-24 07:56:12 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"80_Knight" <  2008-07-26 02:23:31 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"C. E. White" &  2008-07-26 10:27:17 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"80_Knight" <  2008-07-26 22:55:58 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"Rick Cooper" &  2008-07-26 10:36:00 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-26 22:16:48 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
PerfectReign <theperfe  2008-07-27 06:40:06 
Re: Consumer Reports reliability survey for Cars
"80 Knight" <  2008-08-03 00:19:20 

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