Re: Consumer Re****ts reliability survey for Cars

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> Why is it some of you Toyonuts are always cross-posting or Trolling the
GM 
> newsgroups?  We don't come to your group and cause ****, or disrespect 
> you. Have some respect.

Why do you think it is the Toyota people cross posting the GM group? It 
seems like CR auto survey results would be of general interest to people 
interested in cars (no matter whether you consider the results im****tant
or 
not). The OP started out talking about VWs, not Toyotas. Certainly some 
Toyota fans posted follow-ups, but aren't you interested in the opinion of

others - even people who like Toyotas? Once a discussion starts out posted

to numerous groups, isn't it reasonable to post replies to all the same 
groups? I hate it when threads get dropped in the middle.

>
>> Damn, everytime I think of expanding my horizons beyond
>> Toyota, cold, hard survey data and results bring me back,
>> keeping me loyal to Toyota.
>
> As for this, I honestly don't know which is worse.  Someone who believes

> CR provides "cold, hard data and results", or someone who purchases 
> something just because they were told to by said magazine.

People like to have their choices validated. I've always thought that at 
least some people who purchase cars sold by foreign manufacturers feel a 
little guilty and need for others to provide them with sup****t for there 
decision. That way they can justify sending jobs / profits off shore. CR 
provides that sup****t for a lot of Toyota buyers. I have also felt there
was 
a positive feedback mechanism in the CR surveys. CR says Toyotas are good,

so CR readers who own Toyotas tend to shade there responses to match this 
opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think Toyota builds reliable cars, but they

are only marginally better  than average and some models are less reliable

than average and others more reliable. The differences between top tier 
manufacturers is very small. I also get irritated at some of CR comments 
about interior materials. They often talk about cheap looking plastic in 
domestic cars while ignoring the crappy looking plastic Toyota routinely 
uses. My sister has a new RAV4. Mostly I like it, but there is no way the 
interior materials are anything special. And then there is the whole 
question of out gassing  from plastic. In the past Toyota was among the 
worst offenders in than respect.

Oh well...enough from me for now.

Ed