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>> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> <Snip Crap>
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>> Why is it some of you Toyonuts are always cross-posting or Trolling the
>> GM newsgroups? We don't come to your group and cause ****, or
disrespect
>> you. Have some respect.
>
> Why do you think it is the Toyota people cross posting the GM group? It
> seems like CR auto survey results would be of general interest to people
> interested in cars (no matter whether you consider the results im****tant
> or not). The OP started out talking about VWs, not Toyotas. Certainly
some
> Toyota fans posted follow-ups, but aren't you interested in the opinion
of
> others - even people who like Toyotas? Once a discussion starts out
posted
> to numerous groups, isn't it reasonable to post replies to all the same
> groups? I hate it when threads get dropped in the middle.
You're right, Ed. I guess I accidentally put the OP in the same bin as
some
of the other Toyota nuts ("Hachiroku" for example). However, my point
about
Toyota lovers posting hate posts in the GM group is valid.
>>> Damn, everytime I think of expanding my horizons beyond
>>> Toyota, cold, hard survey data and results bring me back,
>>> keeping me loyal to Toyota.
>>
>> As for this, I honestly don't know which is worse. Someone who
believes
>> CR provides "cold, hard data and results", or someone who purchases
>> something just because they were told to by said magazine.
>
> People like to have their choices validated. I've always thought that at
> least some people who purchase cars sold by foreign manufacturers feel a
> little guilty and need for others to provide them with sup****t for there
> decision. That way they can justify sending jobs / profits off shore. CR
> provides that sup****t for a lot of Toyota buyers. I have also felt there
> was a positive feedback mechanism in the CR surveys. CR says Toyotas are
> good, so CR readers who own Toyotas tend to shade there responses to
match
> this opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think Toyota builds reliable cars,
but
> they are only marginally better than average and some models are less
> reliable than average and others more reliable. The differences between
> top tier manufacturers is very small. I also get irritated at some of CR
> comments about interior materials. They often talk about cheap looking
> plastic in domestic cars while ignoring the crappy looking plastic
Toyota
> routinely uses. My sister has a new RAV4. Mostly I like it, but there is
> no way the interior materials are anything special. And then there is
the
> whole question of out gassing from plastic. In the past Toyota was
among
> the worst offenders in than respect.
>
> Oh well...enough from me for now.
Car manufactures are a touchy spot for me, because I live only a few
minuites from GM's Oshawa, Ontario plants. The region I live in is
sustained by GM, which means if GM goes down, so does this region, and
most
of my family (who work for the General).
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