On Jul 27, 2:55=A0am, "80_Knight" <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "C. E. White" <cewhi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "80_Knight" <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> <Snip Crap>
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> >> Why is it some of you Toyonuts are always cross-posting or Trolling
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e
> >> GM newsgroups? =A0We don't come to your group and cause ****, or
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> >> you. Have some respect.
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> > Why do you think it is the Toyota people cross posting the GM group?
It
> > seems like CR auto survey results would be of general interest to
peopl=
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> > interested in cars (no matter whether you consider the results
im****tan=
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> > or not). The OP started out talking about VWs, not Toyotas. Certainly
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ome
> > Toyota fans posted follow-ups, but aren't you interested in the
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of
> > others - even people who like Toyotas? Once a discussion starts out
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> > to numerous groups, isn't it reasonable to post replies to all the
same
> > groups? I hate it when threads get dropped in the middle.
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> You're right, Ed. =A0I guess I accidentally put the OP in the same bin
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some
> of the other Toyota nuts ("Hachiroku" for example). =A0However, my point
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about
> Toyota lovers posting hate posts in the GM group is valid.
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> >>> Damn, everytime I think of expanding my horizons beyond
> >>> Toyota, cold, hard survey data and results bring me back,
> >>> keeping me loyal to Toyota.
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> >> As for this, I honestly don't know which is worse. =A0Someone who
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> >> CR provides "cold, hard data and results", or someone who purchases
> >> something just because they were told to by said magazine.
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> > People like to have their choices validated. I've always thought that
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> > least some people who purchase cars sold by foreign manufacturers feel
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> > little guilty and need for others to provide them with sup****t for
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e
> > decision. That way they can justify sending jobs / profits off shore.
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R
> > provides that sup****t for a lot of Toyota buyers. I have also felt
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> > was a positive feedback mechanism in the CR surveys. CR says Toyotas
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e
> > good, so CR readers who own Toyotas tend to shade there responses to
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tch
> > this opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think Toyota builds reliable cars,
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but
> > they are only marginally better =A0than average and some models are
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s
> > reliable than average and others more reliable. The differences
between
> > top tier manufacturers is very small. I also get irritated at some of
C=
R
> > comments about interior materials. They often talk about cheap looking
> > plastic in domestic cars while ignoring the crappy looking plastic
Toyo=
ta
> > routinely uses. My sister has a new RAV4. Mostly I like it, but there
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> > no way the interior materials are anything special. And then there is
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he
> > whole question of out gassing =A0from plastic. In the past Toyota was
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mong
> > the worst offenders in than respect.
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> > Oh well...enough from me for now.
>
> Car manufactures are a touchy spot for me, because I live only a few
> minuites from GM's Oshawa, Ontario plants. =A0The region I live in is
> sustained by GM, which means if GM goes down, so does this region, and
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st
> of my family (who work for the General).
GM is doomed so it is sure to go down on you
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