Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists

Bill Z. wrote:
> Eric Vey <junker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> 
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> Are you totally blind ????   Bikes run red lights and stop signs so
>>> often that it is the number one complaint of drivers when the
>>> subject comes up
>>>
>> I must be blind. I've never seen even one. I have heard the
>> complaints, too, but I have never seen one.
> 
> You can't be serious.  Try visiting the Bay Area, particular San
> Francisco or any place with a large university.  You'll see bicyclists
> running stop signs and red lights all the time.  Of course, you'll see
> drivers doing the same thing.
> 

No, I am serious. We don't have bicycle couriers here and I have never 
seen a Critical Mass except on You-Tube.

I sometimes visit a town that has a large university (40,000 students), 
and while I see cyclists treat all those pesky 4-way stop signs on 
residential streets like yield signs, just blowing through lights isn't 
done there, either. I've only seen cars blow through lights.

I personally know two people that were driving and were "T-boned" by a 
red light running cars. One died. I don't know any bicycle rider that 
was killed running a light. I suppose if I surfed the 'net long enough, 
I could find one, but most people on bicycles get killed here while 
riding the wrong way on the sidewalk on their way to or from work.

This is why I keep telling you not to extend your view of NoCal to the 
rest of the country. The laws are different and people are different.