On Feb 15, 1:38 pm, "RogerM" <Rog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "jackbadger56" <castl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > On Feb 14, 4:21 pm, "RogerM" <Rog...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> I've still been thinking about this [[snip]]
>
> > no you ****ing haven't.
>
> Oh sorry, but I have and still am.
>
> >> What if the bad whites of the day did nothing to take the children
from
> >> the
> >> squalor of their upbringing?
>
> > What sort of squalor existed before white settlement?
>
> You don't know your history very well if you think they were exempt from
> sickness, which was mostly fatal.
You don't know your history well if you believe all sickness was
mostly fatal and had absolutely no home-spun yet often very effective
remedies.
>
> >> What if the children had of died from sickness and diseases?
>
>
>
> > Are you referring to the diseases introduced due to settlement?
>
> That's always the same old story.
Right. Note to everyone here that only the latest whiz-bang flash
space-age answers are acceptable.
>
> >> What if those children who were raped and brutalised then committed
> >> suicide?
>
> > What if grog hadn't been introduced into their culture?
>
> Not all drink grog.
Not all abuse children/act like criminals/drain the system etc
etc......
>
> >> What if the giving of the gift of a second chance in life never
happened?
>
> > It was only settlement that ****ed up their first chance.
>
> So where would they be today if the whites stayed away
Probably still living off the land and generally minding their own
business. This may be a cliche and difficult for you to believe/
understand, but they had a vibrant, relatively cohesive, and proud
culture before we arrived.
>
> >> What if the governments of the day were really "trying" to help?
>
> > Utterly beside the point.
>
> No it's not, it's the whole ****ing point of the topic. If you really
> believe the whites were told to do this through some "ethnic cleansing"
> bull****, then it's no wonder you can't see the other side.
The other side. Right. You are as guilty as anyone in refusing to
accept opposing views.
Thing is, ALL the issues we're currently trying to deal with here are
to do with "their" integration into "our" society. Whether or not
early intervention was meant with good intentions or not doesn't
change the fact it *didn't ****ing work* and made things a whole lot
worse. Indigenous people are so primative by our standards, yet we
throw money at them (which they don't really understand) and build
unsuitable "houses" for them to our own liking, and basically dictate
to them how we are going to solve "their" issues?
Our efforts so far are akin to appraising a patient's malady as being
a broken neck by using only their postcode, administering
chemotherapy.......and wondering why it doesn't fix the problem!!!
>
> >> What if we did all the above, would we be saying sorry today for not
> >> "trying" to help?
>
> > Yeah, we've been a great help. Here ya go blackfella, have some rum!
>
> No, more like "your children are dying and are being mistreated, we want
to
> help you".
.....sorry, did you accuse *me* of being a bleeding heart?
>
> >> Can you add to this?
>
> > **** off you blinkered idiot and get back to talking about cars,
> > you're almost good at that but this subject is beyond you.
>
> Jack, your attitude is one of being lead by the "bleeding heart
brigade".
> All I asked for you today was to consider the alternative, something you
> continue to close your eyes to. As you can't see that, it would be
difficult
> to have any sort of discussion with you. My partner and I still have
heavy
> discussion on this subject as she is easily lead as well and thinks
along
> your lines.
>
> Do you deny the following?
> 1. The giving of doctors and free medical care
> 2. The building of homes which are often vandalised and destroyed
> 3. The giving of ree travel anywhere, whenever.
> 4. The giving to each and every family member $100.00 and
> free travel to attend an aboriginal funeral.
> 5. The non charging of rent on any lands that white people have
> to pay. There are always "land rights" claims before the courts.
> 6. The giving of interest free loans.
> 7. The giving of $8,000.00 each towards each daughters' wedding
> 8. The payment of $1.7 billion per year for 250,000 people,
> which is $48,000.00 per man, woman and child.
>
> I guess you're right, we are very unfair.
.......you forgot 'totally misguided'.
>
> Roger
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