Re: Why is the supply of E85 fuel so tightly controlled?

"John_H" <john4721@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Kwyjibo wrote:
>>"John_H" <john4721@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Kwyjibo wrote:
>>>>"John_H" <john4721@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
>>>>> No land is ever likely to be set aside from human food production
for
>>>>> ethanol, either here or anywhere else.
>>>>
>>>>That depends.
>>>>If the amount western countries are willing to pay for energy exceeds 
>>>>what
>>>>'locals' will pay for food, what do you reckon the average farmer in a
>>>>thrid
>>>>world country will want to grow?
>>>
>>> Unless they happen to im****t stockfeed for human consumption
>>
>>Why would you think they would consider doing that? We've already seen
>>numerous examples in the past where African governments will allow their
>>people to starve to death if there's money or power involved.
>>
>>> it's simply not an issue.
>>
>>And it quite easily could become an issue, given the correct combination

>>of
>>greed and corruption - both of which abound in Africa.
>
> They'd also require the correct combination of stupidity when food is
> worth more (and always will be)!

Always will be? Says who?
If  a country has no ex****t market and impoverished locals, the prices
they 
can get for food is relatively low. Compare that to the world demand for 
energy which is climbing daily, pu****ng prices through the roof.
Not too hard to see where this could lead, is it?

>
> Besides which, do you have any idea of the infrastructure required to
> produce, process and distribute the commodities used in ethanol
> production?...

Yes.

>  Take a tour through rural Australia sometime if you
> don't!  It's also the same infrastructure that sustains the food
> chain.

And? It's irrelevant to your argument.

> You won't find it in any third world country (and they wouldn't be
> third world countries if you did).

Yeah, and no country ever ex****ts *raw materials*, do they...........
<sigh>

> Of course they could probably
> utilise donkeys and camels, but they'd also need to be fed.
>
> Then there's the problem of defending it all against the starving
> m*****

Not hard to do when those selling the crops have the guns..........

> (which is what those large stone fortifications were mainly
> used for in medieval times).
>
> Food has always been the first priority of any organised society,

That's totally incorrect. Try explaining the multiple famines throughout 
Africa that occurred while the local warlords had plenty of money to buy 
weapons and feed their own troops.

> and always will be.

Wrong again.

>  The only ones to go without are those who can't
> produce it, or can't afford to buy it.

Or those supressed by corrupt leaders/officials.

-- 
Kwyj.