Re: Speed Camera Fine/NSW-wrong Driver?HELP!

"Toby Ponsenby" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:58:44 +1000d, Kwyjibo Blathered on
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>> "Toby Ponsenby" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:g0660g$1bj$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:08:03 +1000d, larstetens Blathered on
>>> inlarstetens.3961l8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>> I got a  penalty notice from NSW OSR regarding a speed camera fine
for
>>>> a speed offense that occurred when I was out of the country-I wasn't
>>>> the driver (out of country).But as I am the registered owner-I got
the
>>>> bloody fine.  I narrowed it down to 2 mates who were driving the car
>>>> when visiting from America-SO WHAT do I do?
>>>>
>>>> I've never had a speed fine(not perfect-just lucky I reckon).  I'm
>>>> supposed to fill out that "stat-dec"-to say I wasn't driving the
>>>> car-which is not the issue/problem (obvious-I wasn't in the country).
>>>> But I can't get either my two mates to cop to "who was driving"...So
I
>>>> have no way of 100%/Dead set identifying "who" was actually driving
>>>> the car-and the pic according to the OSR doesn't reveal that.
>>>> Furthermore I don't have these blokes "drivers license numbers"?? How
>>>> am I supposed to sign that statutory declaration form? I know I
wasn't
>>>> the driver-but I have no idea at the end of the day WHO was actually
>>>> driving the car at the exact moment of the fine-and NSW OSR doesn't
>>>> really offer any help either.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know how this process works if you weren't the driver?  Do I
>>>> just pick one of these blokes-give their address in America and "wash
>>>> my hands" of the ordeal?  I just don't want to have to pay the fine
or
>>>> get the points-as I wasn't even in the country.....HELP
>>>
>>> For what it's worth - incidentally not much to the genuflecting
>>> forelock- tugging imbeciles that infest this group from time to
>>> time....
>>
>> We'll see who the imbecile is.......
>>
>>> You have been afflicted with possibly the most disgusting legislation
>>> ever foisted on the Australian public. It's in fact a trial of the
>>> legislation on behalf of other countries where the population might
>>> just get a tad uppity about such things - to be used by GovCo in those
>>> places to attempt to proof the disgusting garbage against successful
>>> challenge.THAT IS WHY that retired judge is involved in show-trials
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> This is how it works - obvious, but it needs to be said.
>>>
>>> You are Guilty until you proved innocent.
>>>
>>>
>> Not even close.
>>
>>> That's right - this legislation turns the  tradition of what's
>>> laughingly called the legal system on it's pointy head.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> As you can see, the pigs
>>
>> And now we see your true colours......  Imbecile.
>>
>>>  and their cohorts in the bureaucracy have
>>> presented you with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that you committed what is
>>> essentially a misdemeanour.
>>
>> Correct, and they haven't made a judgement that he committed that
>> misdemeanor either. They have *alleged* that he committed it and given
>> him the option to avoid wasting the court's time and just pay a fine if
>> he was actually in the wrong.
>> They have also provided him with the op****tunity to dispute the
>> allegation - first by means of contacting the police directly with
>> details of the actual offender or, if that's not possible, by letting a
>> court decide. It's exactly the same as any other offence, despite what
>> your obviously deficient mind thinks of the matter.
>>
>>> All they know is that a vehicle with the registration plate issued to
>>> you has been involved. You will note that even if a photograph exists
>>> involving a clear non-photoshopped image of the bonce of the driver of
>>> the vehicle at the time/place of the alleged offence it was NOT sent
to
>>> you at the time of their furni****ng you with a notice.
>>> Needless to say nor was any pig
>>
>> Like throwing that word around, don't you. It's a pretty clear
>> indication as to the depth of your intellect.
>>
>>> able to actually apprehend you at the time/place of the offence. It's
>>> dubious that the pig involved actually even saw your vehicle and
>>> recorder it's passing. They have to, you know. It's Evidence, you see.
>>>
>>> You'll note that there will be many replies telling you to shop
>>> who-ever you 'think' was driving. Why? You are not sworn to do
anything
>>> in particular in *enforcing* the law. That is not your jobbie. It is
>>> the jobbie of the State - as detailed in our arrangement with that
>>> State to maintain order.
>>> Since you do not have any evidence whatsoever as to who was driving
the
>>> vehicle at the nominated time and place, that is the end of the
matter.
>>>
>>> Well, it should be.
>>> But the legislation says it's not.
>>
>> Cite?
>>

Hmmm. Nothing.......

>>>You are guilty of an offence
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>>> because
>>> You can't tell the State who may have been guilty of that offence -
>>> despite the fact that you were in fact half a planet away.
>>
>> Or in your case, on another planet entirely.
>>
>>> Nice.
>>
>> And still wrong.
>>
>>> As you can see, this legislation is *extremely_im****tant* to the
Police
>>> State.
>>
>> There is no 'police state' you useless twonk.
>>
>>> There are ramifications aplenty for the Police State if this
>>> legislation is stuffed over. That's because the traffic 'thrust' of
the
>>> legislation is just the beginning.
>>> It's a wedge being used to condition the population to a new order of
>>> things - that they can be held to be guilty of an offence which in
fact
>>> they did not commit.
>>
>> Put your tin-foil hat back on, loony.
>>
>> <rest of your mindless waffle snipped>
>
>
> Needless to say you are an abidingly stupid ****, Kwyjibo - and you've
> just proved it again. In spades.
> As I've said elsewhere, it's not a good idea to mouth off about
> legislation you haven't read.

So where is this legislation, stupid? You've been asked to provide a cite,

and failed to do so.

<remaining mindless ****e snipped>

-- 
Kwyj.