Re: Sydney Bicycle accident

"Doug Jewell" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Trevor Wilson wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Swerving and stopping in front of a group of cyclists, then
leaving 
>>>>>>>> the scene of the resulting accident, is not only illegal, but 
>>>>>>>> extremely poor form.
>>>>>>> It depends entirely on the cir***stances.
>>>>>> **Indeed. An engine fault is not a situation which calls for 
>>>>>> endangering the lives of 50 cyclists. It is a situation which calls

>>>>>> for the driver to allow the vehicle to slow, whilst looking for an 
>>>>>> op****tunity to get off the road SAFELY.
>>>>> One re****t that I saw (and bear in mind it was a re****t, so there is

>>>>> no guarantee to it's truth), said that several cyclists overtook him

>>>>> BEFORE they started ploughing into the back of the car. If he
stopped 
>>>>> in the way you are describing you would expect the front cyclists to

>>>>> be the ones hitting him. If the front cyclists got past, and it was 
>>>>> ones further down in the pack that hit him, it tells me that there
is 
>>>>> nothing wrong with his stopping action, but it was the cyclists were

>>>>> riding too close to each other to be able to A) see the unexpected
and 
>>>>> B) react to the unexpected.
>>>>
>>>> Precisely. For a hypothetical, try reversing the situation...........
>>>>
>>>> 5 cars driving nose to tail. The front car comes upon a cyclist and
at 
>>>> the last minute swerves to pass the bike. The other 4 cars, driving
to 
>>>> close to the car in front, don't have time to react and run straight 
>>>> over the cyclist.
>>>> Who does Trevor think would be at fault there?
>>> **Try reversing the situation and I'll attempt to answer. Your
scenario 
>>> doesn't come close.
>>
>> **In fact, I'll do it for you:
>>
>> Cyclist swerves into the right hand lane, in front of several vehicles,

>> travelling at high speed. The cyclist slams his brakes on, thus causing

>> the cars to crash into him and each other.
>>
>> IMO, the cyclist, if he is still alive, should be locked up for the
rest 
>> of his life. Clearly, the cyclist is at fault. Additionally, he should
be 
>> forced to pay the full costs of damage to the vehicles concerned.
>>
>> Same deal with this idiot motorist, who caused the lives of 50 cyclists

>> to be placed at risk. I hope they take his driver's license away and
lock 
>> the bastard up. His property should be sold to pay for any damage
caused, 
>> because I doubt insurance would cover it. His story is simply not 
>> believable.
> Whatever the reason he stopped, I ride bikes as well as drive, and I can

> stop my bike from 50-60 much quicker than I can a stop a car. It has
also 
> been stated that the front riders got past him, and it was riders in the

> middle of the pack that hit him.
> Sounds to me like the cyclists were not paying due care and attention,
or 
> possibly even used their numbers to deliberately hit the car to teach
him 
> a lesson. Some cyclists seem to get agro over the slightest thing car 
> drivers do, like the bunch I encountered near Canberra that were
blocking 
> the road preventing overtaking, that started looking for a fight when I 
> tooted the horn.
> Sorry, but I find the motorists story quite believable, and even IF he
did 
> deliberately pull up in front of the pack as has been claimed, the 
> cyclists should have been able to avoid him if they were maintaining 
> sufficient gap between each other and observing the road ahead properly.

> As I said, sounds VERY much like the cyclists have deliberately run into

> him.

**Not to me. Tell you what: Go out onto any motorway in the country. Drive

in the right hand lane, when traffic is heavy and jump on the brakes. See 
who avoids you and see he gets thrown into gaol for being an idiot.

Trevor Wilson