Noddy wrote:
>
> "David Z" <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > Sleeping pills are one of the worst things you can use, especially
valium.
>
> Valium isn't a sleeping pill, but rather a tranquelizer.
muscle relaxant moreso. Not quite in the same league as xanax as far as
emotional side goes.
val/diazepam isn't that bad.
temazapam is apparently ok for insomnia (short term).
sleeping tablets are in general not great, but then again, there's
genuine reasons for taking them in the short term most likely.
It's not
> specifically meant to put you to sleep.
Mind you David Z is clearly to retarded to understand the inherent
humour in the idea of advising a tablet with known significant and
possibly fatal side effects, and furthermore advising (mockingly) 50
times the indicated dosage.
> > Almost all of them cause a dependency. They're only meant to be used
on
> > the rare occasion, not on a regular basis.
>
> Most drugs are like that.
Xanax isn't necessarily, according to more recent research, not that I
take that crap. If I want to feel like one does on Xanax, I just go
without sleep for a day or so.
> Taken on a regular basis just about any drug will lead to an addiction,
and
> like any drug the more often it is taken the less effective it becomes.
I've
> taken 20 panadiene Forte in a day at my worst with them, simply because
> that's the amount it took to get to a bearable pain level. I'm down to
just
> under half that these days at my worst, but it can be a struggle at
times.
Jesus Christ - I know there's some margin of safety engineered into max
dosages (8 per day if anyone cares) - but at 20 - you seriously are
risking death - and it could be severe enough to have rebound and
complications (within hours of taking them) that mimic high blood
pressure, and angina, and prevent sleep etc.
> I've been on them for over ten years, and I've left my liver to science
so
> they can see what long term use of the things can do.
It's probably more the paracetemol imho. ****ing hell - can't you get
them to prescribe oxycontin or percocent or whatever they are called
here - they use oxycodone, which is far more effective (at lower doses,
and as such with lower concomitant amounts of paracetemol) than codeine
ever could be. The problem with codeine, aside from that mentioned, is
it has to be converted (I think in the liver but can't recall) into
something else - some other type of opiate. In typical subjects, there's
only enough enzyme or whatever to convert around 400mg tops in one go,
or possibly one day, so beyond that, you aren't going to gain much
anyway, you'll just think you are.
In that situation, I'd definitely be looking at the oxycontin or
whatever the equiv is. With your chronic injury, and ongoing
complications from the ****ed up hip surgery (if I recall correctly)
you'd surely qualify.
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