Re: Sydney Bicycle accident

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "George W. Frost" <frosty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "Noddy" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> **We're not the same. I'm pretty certain that if I killed someone,
it 
>>>>> would bother me for quite some time.
>>>>
>>>> I never said I'd enjoy it, but if it wasn't my fault and it happened
to 
>>>> be some ****ing idiot doing something stupid I wouldn't be terribly 
>>>> upset.
>>>>
>>>> If it was a kid running out of a driveway chasing a ball it'd be a 
>>>> different story completely.
>>>
>>> **Perhaps. I know a woman who killed a drunk pedestrian (she escaped 
>>> charges, since the silly old fart had a 0.2 reading, according to the 
>>> coroner). Last time I spoke to her, she was still in therapy, ten
years 
>>> after the event. Killing another human, for most people, is a
traumatic 
>>> thing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> **Obviously, you've missed the Dykes on Bikes (my favourites).
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure they're great, but there's no need to *look* like them just
to 
>>>> take a bicycle for a ride :)
>>>
>>> **They ride half ****d. Of course, a goodly number are pretty damned 
>>> unpleasant to look at, but, hey, tits are tits.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> **I often toddle down to my favourite coffee shop/patisserie some 
>>>>> mornings. Around 7:00AM. It happens to be on The Grande Parade, at 
>>>>> Brighton (Sydney). It is on the same piece of road that the riders 
>>>>> probably ride on. There are a *lot* of riders who ride past (though 
>>>>> some of the not so dedicated ones, stop for a coffee and cake) at
that 
>>>>> time of day. Almost all ride two abreast in the kerbside lane.
Whilst 
>>>>> I cannot say, I'd bet your balls that I've seen that same group ride

>>>>> past. They ride properly and considerately. Hell, they even stop for

>>>>> the pedestrian crossing.
>>>>
>>>> Next time you see them do that congratulate them for being decent 
>>>> people :)
>>>>
>>>> In Melbourne we have a notorious road for cyclists and it's caused
it's 
>>>> fair share of problems. If you don't know it Beach Road, as the name 
>>>> suggests, is a long scenic road that follows the coast from St.Kilda 
>>>> all the way to Frankston, and it's extemely popular with cyclists and

>>>> in particular one group of "rebel" cyclists who conduct a regular 
>>>> week-end event called the hell ride. This hell ride can consist of 
>>>> anything up to a couple hundred cyclists on any given day
(particularly 
>>>> if the weather is great), and it's not at all uncommon to be driving 
>>>> along Beach Road to have these riders stretched out over a few 
>>>> kilometers hogging as much of the road as they like in the process.
>>>
>>> **Now that would be annoying. 40 or 50 cyclists is not too bad.
Several 
>>> hundred would be extremely frustrating for other road users.
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>>
>> A total backflip by the infamous Trevor Wilson
>> By that little statement Trevor Wilson,, you have killed off your 
>> original argument
>
> **Cite where I stated that several hundred cyclists might not be 
> frustatubg to other road users. There are many instances where road
users 
> can frustrate other types of road users. A truck overtaking another
truck, 
> for instance.
>
>>
>>
>>>> Around 12 months or so ago such a hell ride was in effect when a 
>>>> pedestrian, an elderly man who was just out for a Saturday morning
walk 
>>>> with his grandkids, was knocked down and killed while he was using a 
>>>> pedestrian crossing by one of these "hell riders" who went through
the 
>>>> crossing without stopping.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently there were a bunch of cyclists who had stopped but the 
>>>> cyclist who struck the old guy decided not to stop and sail right 
>>>> through the group to improve his place in the race. Unfortunately for

>>>> him, and the old man, when riding through the group of stationary 
>>>> cyclists he couldn't see the old man crossing the road and ploughed 
>>>> straight into him.
>>>>
>>>> Now, the reason why I mention this story is not because of the poor
old 
>>>> bloke getting killed or the ****wit cyclist being a ****wit cyclist
who 
>>>> caused his death, but because of some of the comments that came from 
>>>> the *other* cyclists who were sitting there waiting for the old guy
to 
>>>> cross. Almost every one of them to a man defended the guilty cyclist
to 
>>>> a degree in the media by trying to ****ft the blame onto the crossing,

>>>> or the sun in his eyes as he approached. I even read the comment of
one 
>>>> who said that the old man should have been aware that it might have 
>>>> been likely that someone wouldn't stop as it was common practice.
>>>
>>> **Clearly, that is an obscenity. Pedestrian crossings are for 
>>> pedestrians. There's no excuse for not stopping.
>>
>>
>> Another backflip by the infamous Trevor Wilson
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> **Really? Cite where I defended cyclists from breaking the law.
>
> I won't hold my breath waiting for your cites.
>
> Trevor Wilson


I don't have to, you have already said it and I am not going to repeat
your 
garbage
And if you don't remember what you have said, then  you are talking
bull****
As the saying goes, you never have to remember when you tell the truth