"John McKenzie" <jmac_melbourne@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Noddy wrote:
> >
> > "John McKenzie" <jmac_melbourne@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >
> > > Jesus Christ - I know there's some margin of safety engineered into
max
> > > dosages (8 per day if anyone cares) - but at 20 - you seriously are
> > > risking death - and it could be severe enough to have rebound and
> > > complications (within hours of taking them) that mimic high blood
> > > pressure, and angina, and prevent sleep etc.
> >
> > Yeah, I've got most of those, and liver counts 6 times higher than the
> > accepted norm.
> >
> > > It's probably more the paracetemol imho. ****ing hell - can't you
get
> > > them to prescribe oxycontin or percocent or whatever they are called
> > > here - they use oxycodone, which is far more effective (at lower
doses,
> > > and as such with lower concomitant amounts of paracetemol) than
codeine
> > > ever could be. The problem with codeine, aside from that mentioned,
is
> > > it has to be converted (I think in the liver but can't recall) into
> > > something else - some other type of opiate. In typical subjects,
there's
> > > only enough enzyme or whatever to convert around 400mg tops in one
go,
> > > or possibly one day, so beyond that, you aren't going to gain much
> > > anyway, you'll just think you are.
> >
> > Oh yeah, there's a placebo effect associated with it, which is why I'm
now
> > back down to 8-10 a day rather than 20.
> >
> > > In that situation, I'd definitely be looking at the oxycontin or
> > > whatever the equiv is. With your chronic injury, and ongoing
> > > complications from the ****ed up hip surgery (if I recall correctly)
> > > you'd surely qualify.
> >
> > I'll talk to my quack about it.
> >
> > Last time I spoke to him he mentioned herbal jazz cigarettes
(medically
> > prescribed) might be worth a shot as I'm already a smoker, and while I
> > thought about it for a while I decided against it as I never liked
cannabis
> > and whenever I experimented with it socially all it did was gave me a
> > whacking great headache.
>
> I'm seriously about the least knowledgeable person on that topic, but
> the general consensus is, afaik, that the typical hydro grown stuff is
> like a sledgehammer, no improvement to mood, just makes you a complete
> dead ****. Apparently the older, less powerful strains, and, for
> whatever else it means, outdoor grown stuff is less like that, and far
> more useful in the chemo/pain management/appetite restoration criteria.
>
> I also didn't like the idea of walking around
> > ripped all day and then trying to do anything constructive as I have
enough
> > trouble now just getting zonked on the pain killers.
>
> that seems somewhat universal - dope seems to be somewhat of an ambition
> killer. I heard something funny the other day (well a little) - in most
> places in the nth east of the USA, the slang term dope specifically
> refers to heroin, not mary jane - go figure...
>
> >
> > Still, I could always get a kilo a week and sell it :)
>
> That reminds me of a rumour that Carl Williams actually tried to
> convince police that 7000 eccies were for personal use.
I wouldn't use dope for those reasons stated ie grown in controlled
environment. Known more than one person who went crackers after using some
of that strong stuff.
Years ago as one of a drinking party, we all lived in the same hotel..we
decided to go see some dumb film,..Jonanthon Livingston seagull,..or some
such ****. Anyway the 3 guys broke out some weed, windows up, as it was
winter and after a while you couldnt see the screen. One guy then said
"this
is some good **** man, do you want a drag?" I replied, "no thanks,..the
exhaust smoke from you 3 is strong enough." as I opened a beer.
Jason
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