Re: Speed Camera Fine/NSW-wrong Driver?HELP!

"Snapper" <snapper1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> Kwyjibo wrote...
>
>> > If your vehicle is snapped by a speed or red light camera you,
>> > as the registered owner are deemed to be guilty, unless YOU can prove

>> > that
>> > someone else was driving, and to name that person. If you can't, then

>> > you
>> > wear
>> > the penalties.
>>
>> And you can provide a link to the specific section of legislation that
>> states this?
>
> I can, but I won't. You can do so if you feel like it.
>
>> You and Toby both need to get it through your thick heads that
receiving 
>> a
>> fine is not an indication that the legal system has removed your 
>> presumption
>> of innocence. The police are making an accusation - the same as they do

>> with
>
> We're talking specifically about red light and speed camera offences
where 
> you
> as the registered owner are sent the fine. TINs, in the case of the
copper 
> that
> pulls you over are more specific in the allegations because he has you
on 
> the
> spot.
>
> Here in Victoria with a speed camera fine it gives you the option of 
> signing a
> stat dec saying that you weren't driving, that Joe Blow was. Then the
**** 
> hits
> the fan when your "mate" Joe denies this. Then it's back onto you to do 
> the
> proving that you weren't the driver. ie. You gotta prove that it was Joe

> and
> then it may come down to his word against yours.

You mean you have to refute the cir***stantial evidence?
How is that different to any other charge?

> In the end you're the one
> copping the fine if you can't prove your case.
>
> So, have Toby and I gotten this basic concept into YOUR thick head?

You can't even comprehend that the police are not a court of law, you 
dickhead.

> Hark back the Western Ring Road fiasco of a few years back when people 
> were
> copping ridiculous fines. One woman was sent a fine for doing some speed

> way
> above of what her clapped out Datsun could do. Despite the evidence that

> she
> tended to Victoria Police to get the fine overturned they still said to 
> pay up
> or else.

And she was free to take it to court. The court NEVER presumed her to be 
guilty.

> Or the guy who lives west of Melbourne who was allegedly caught
> speeding on Citylink in his tractor. In case you don't know, most
tractors 
> are
> lucky to do 60 klicks.

And did any court presume him to be guilty? I didn't think so.

-- 
Kwyj.