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Re: Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)

by Bill Putney <bptn@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 25, 2008 at 06:21 AM

MoPar Man wrote:
> Over the past few months my 2000 300m developed an exhaust bark that
> sounded like it was coming from the front or center of the car, not
> the rear.
> 
> A visual inspection on a hoist (Midas) indicated that the first
> muffler/resonator in the exhaust chain was the problem - it's single
> seam running down it's side was starting to open up.
> 
> Turns out that wasn't the problem.
> 
> The problem was in one of the couplers situated mid-way between the
> driver's side cat-convertor and the aformentioned muffler.  Something
> had given way or failed inside the coupler, resulting in a sloppy
> internal fit and lots of play (and a resulting exhaust leak).
> 
> Even though the muffler's seam was opening up, there is a second liner
> right under it that was still intact.
> 
> I took the car to a custom exhaust shop in my city (a place where I
> took my '73 Satellite about 10 or 12 years ago to have a
> stainless-steel exhaust put in - by the same guy).  With the engine
> running, he identified the coupler as the culprit.  This left-side
> coupler is a bitch to work on (the right side is much easier) but he
> says it's the left-side that always seem to go on the Chrysler cars.
> 
> I had the muffler replaced as well (Magnaflow #12258).  The coupler
> was replaced with a generic woven/braided stainless-steel component. 
> The exhaust guy said that that was my only option - short of buying a
> new cat-converter from Chrysler (that's the only way to get a new
> coupler).  And the cat is (according to him) in the neighborhood of
> $1000.  Regardless if he was right about the price, there was no way I
> was going to get a new cat-convertor from Chrysler just to replace the
> coupler.


I will be replacing at least one of my cats on one of my two Concordes - 
different engine (2.7L) in that one but same exhaust setup.  The exhaust 
valve seals go bad in that engine around 125k miles (I'm one oil change 
shy of 200k on it now) and the continual diet of oil thru the exhaust 
destroys the cat (I always get an "inefficient cat" code for the last 2 
years or so).


> Anyways, the generic coupler, the Magnaflow muffler, and labor
> totalled about $375.  I think with the new Magnaflow that the car is
> now a little quieter than original.  The Magnaflow was installed
> "backwards" but I don't think it matters.


I don't recall ever seeing such a failure (that coupler) reported on any 
of the three LH car forums I frequent, but perhaps it is one of the 
types of things that people have fixed and don't write about on the 
forums, or possibly didn't nail it down to the exact problem, though 
your exhaust man seems to have seen it before on some Chryslers.


> Also...
> 
> Back in Feb 2004 the rear driver's side power door lock/latch failed. 
> I had it replaced by the dealer.  It cost (in US dollars) $105 with
> $92 labor.  I actually paid $140 CDN for the part.
> 
> Within the past few weeks, the rear passenger door lock/latch also
> failed.  The dealer wanted about $100 for the part (being that the
> Canadian and US dollars are at parity, the price is cheaper now vs 4
> years ago).  I would imagine that the price at a US dealer is more
> like $65 or $75.


Something like that, though prices on a lot of Chrysler parts have gone 
up since the Cerebus transfer.  The explanation I got was that a lot of 
parts suppliers took the opportunity of the changeover to not renew (or 
back out of?) contracts, so some parts became in very short supply while 
new sources were obtained, so prices went up for a couple of reasons, 
some parts a lot worse than others - some by a factor of between 2 and 
3, or were plain not available for a while.  I haven't had to buy 
anything lately so don't know what the situation is today.


> Instead of buying a new one, I picked one up from an auto wrecker for
> $35 (it came from an intrepid, but was an exact match).  It's a bit of
> a bitch to replace.
> 
> So that makes both rear door latch units have failed on me.  Since
> very very very few things on this car have failed in 8.25 years, I
> would venture to guess that the door latch units on the LH cars must
> have a high failure rate...


Yes - (judging from the forums) those latches and everything involved 
with the windows (regulator motor and the glass-to-regulator-attaching 
clips, which are shared with a lot of other Chrysler platforms) break a 
lot - it's like there was one very poor designer who was put in charge 
of "windows and doors" on the LH's.  I have been fairly lucky in that 
because on my two LH's, I've only had to replace one latch (also one 
window motor, and two glass-to-regulator clips).

Other common failure points that come to mind are the engine cooling 
fans - the fan motors do wear out (typically at around 100k).  Also, the 
positive battery post/terminal area is subject to heavy acid/corrosion 
and is a source of a lot of weird hard-to-diagnose electrical symptoms 
when the connection starts going intermittent/high resistance.  But some 
of us on the forums have learned to recognize the symptoms when new 
posters post them.  Positive jump post clamping sometimes gets loose (no 
corrosion) and creates similar problems.

Good parts are needed for the brakes, and an occasional front wheel 
bearing replacement is needed.

And the usual Nippon-Denso starter solenoid contact click-click-start 
failure.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my 
address with the letter 'x')




 6 Posts in Topic:
Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)
MoPar Man <MoPar@[EMAI  2008-04-24 22:58:51 
Re: Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-04-25 06:21:03 
Re: Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-04-25 06:26:09 
Re: Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-25 14:29:07 
Re: Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-04-25 18:56:54 
Re: Conclusion: Exhaust leak '00 300M (cause, and remedy)
MoPar Man <MoPar@[EMAI  2008-04-25 21:01:57 

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