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Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid

by Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 09:07 PM

Kasper wrote:

> My question is:  Could using the wrong fluid have caused the clutches to
> burn out so quickly?   I donąt see any other explanation.  Wouldnąt this
be
> considered negligence or incompetence on the part of the people who used
the
> wrong fluid?


It's possible. Dexron would most likely only directly damage the torque 
convertor clutch, but when the TC clutch lets go it sends fluff all 
through the rest of the transmission and that could have blocked the 
filter and caused low pressure, which could have then burned out the 
rest of the clutches.

But that's just a hypothesis, it could have been any number of things.

> 
> Also: What is it about Dexron that causes damage to Chrysler
transmissions?

It has the wrong differential between its static and dynamic coefficient 
of friction. In other words, a clutch lubricated with Dexron III will 
slip easily, but then grab when it stops slipping. ATF +4 has a much 
smoother transition between sliding and sticking because the static 
(stuck) coefficient of friction is much closer to the dynamic (slipping) 
coefficient of friction. The torque convertor clutch in Chrysler 
electronic automatics (and now virtually all other manufacturers, but 
Chrysler was the first to use this system in 1989) is designed to be 
used in a partial-lock mode, where its engaged but deliberately 
slipping. This is done in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears (now 5th and 6th too 
on newer transmissions) to improve fuel efficiency by reducing fluid 
coupling the losses in the convertor at the high end of each gear. But 
when the clutch is being deliberately slipped like that, Dexron III 
fluid will cause it to "grab" over and over causing a noticeable 
shudder. That will also begin to break the friction material off the TC 
clutch, and then it contaminates everything else or plugs the filter. 
When the filter plugs, fluid pressure drops and the servos can't keep 
the other clutches firmly enough engaged, so they slip and burn out.




 15 Posts in Topic:
Wrong Transmission Fluid
Kasper <zroject5@[EMAI  2008-05-01 19:34:13 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-05-01 20:27:21 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
"Ted Mittelstaedt&qu  2008-05-02 01:17:41 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-05-02 06:19:16 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
"Ted Mittelstaedt&qu  2008-05-03 03:00:45 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-03 21:07:31 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
"Waho" <dowe  2008-05-03 22:47:34 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-05-04 05:22:15 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-04 21:20:41 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
kmath50@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-04 19:26:37 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-05-05 05:51:37 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Bill Putney <bptn@[EMA  2008-05-05 05:52:45 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
Greg Houston <gh114@[E  2008-05-05 08:08:55 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
cavedweller <jawnwilli  2008-05-05 05:44:20 
Re: Wrong Transmission Fluid
cavedweller <jawnwilli  2008-05-06 04:36:47 

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