kmath50@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On May 4, 3:22 am, Bill Putney <b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Waho wrote:
> > > I've seen that kind of clutch burn out if the shop failed to soak
the new
> > > clutch in AFT before they were installed. If the clutches were put
in the
> > > transmission dry, they won't last more that a few hundred miles.
The use of
> > > Dexron will make it shift horribly but I doubt that the use of
Dexron would
> > > "burn" the clutchs that fast. Either way, the shop is at fault.
Not much
> > > of a transmission shop if they don't know to use ATF+4.
> >
> > I bet if you surveyed the local tranny shops where you are, better
than
> > 90% would tell you they would use Dexron with an additive vs. ATF+4.
> > The aftermarket service world is eat up with bad information.
> >
> > I called four shops in my area (two of which were highly recommended
by
> > everybody and their brother) and asked them what fluid they would use
in
> > my 2nd gen LH car, and all four said they'd use Dexron with additive.
I
> > changed the fluid myself.
> >
> > Bill Putney
> > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > address with the letter 'x')
>
> This seems to be fairly common. I had the transmission in my 1993
> Voyager rebuilt last August. When I went to pick it up, I ask the shop
> owner what they filled the transmission with. He said that he used
> dexron with Lube Guard. When I expressed my concerns, he pulled the
> empty bottle out of the garbage, and showed me where it says that it
> meets Chrysler's requirements. The shop has been in business for many
> years, and does warranty work for several dealers.
>
> Anyway, the transmission is working fine so far. The Automatic
> Transmissions Rebuilder's Association warranty runs out in August. At
> that time, I will probably replace the fuild myself and use ATF+4,
> just for my own peace of mind. Chrysler labeled ATF+4 can be bought at
> Walmart for about $4.50 per quart.
>
> I can understand why shops do not want to stock every kind of fluid
> that is required by each manufacturer. At the same time, the
> transmission fluid issue has been covered extensively in this NG. The
> general opinon has been to use the recommend fluid, which is now ATF
> +4.
>
> On another note, in my van's early days, I used to take it to the
> local Chrysler / Plymouth dealer for transmission service. Each time,
> they would replace the fluid with ATF+3 (that's what was available at
> the time) along with a "conditioner." When asked them about the
> conditioner, they said that it was to ensure that new fluid would mix
> okay with the older fluid. When I mentioned that Chrysler does not
> recommend any additives, he stood by his position.
>
> I still don't know what the additive was, or who made it. I tend it
> was a way for them to make a few extra dollars.
I believe that the Chrysler specification for ATF+4 is MS 9602, while the
spec for
ATF+3 is 7176. I don't think it is possible to meet both specifications
simultaneously, although ATF+4 should now be ok for transmissions
previously built
for ATF+3, per Chrysler service bulletins. (Those MS numbers are from
memory, so I
may be off). I believe MS stands for Mopar Specification or similar.
That assumes that a bottle labeled as meeting spec xyz actually does meet
it.
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