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>> Joe wrote:
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>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>> Joe wrote:
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>>>>>>>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I know Super Tuesday has yet to arrive, but after the
>>>>>>>>>> bru-ha-ha
>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>> here, it looks like it'll be McCain and Clinton. What say
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>> If that happens, I won't bother getting out that day. McCain
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Clinton are interchangeable IMO. Probably wear the same
>>>>>>>>> underwear
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>> I'll leave it to everyones imagination which type the two wear.
>>>>>>>> Do I need to come over to your house and slap some sense into
>>>>> you?!?!?
>>>>>>>> Do you really want to hear Hillary's screeching and see Billy
>>>>>>>> Boy's
>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>>> day after day? I would crawl over broken glass ****d to vote
>>>>> against
>>>>>>>> her. Billary needs to go away and this is our chance to make it
>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>> once and for all.
>>>>>>> Gee, Michael, tell us how you _really_ feel... ;)
>>>>>> I can't stand the Clintons. They are more responsible for the
>>>>>> dumbing down of politics in this country than any other two
>>>>>> people. I don't care about him getting blow jobs in the White
>>>>>> House from someone other than his wife. Hell, that has happened
>>>>>> plenty of times in the past. The fact he got caught just shows the
>>>>>> depth of his stupidity. He took advantage of a young intern that
>>>>>> was unstable to begin with and that
>>>>> is
>>>>>> just ignorant on an inconceivable level. His whole career has
>>>>>> been
>>>>> like
>>>>>> this. They need to just go away. If the Democrats elect Obama as
>>>>> their
>>>>>> candidate it will go a long way in restoring my respect for that
>>>>>> political party.
>>>>> Let's face it - both parties are s***. Whatever examples one
>>>>> points out from either party, there are examples from the other
>>>>> side to counter. This is but one of the reasons why I'm a
>>>>> registered Independent.
>>>> Both sides have their morons for sure. With Clinton's political
>>>> skills he could have done so much more than he did. His problem is
>>>> that he is personally weak and can't control himself or his urges.
>>>> Just look at all the women that have accused him of everything from
>>>> affairs to rape.
>>>> The woman that accused him of raping her isn't a floozy. She has
>>>> a
>>>> very respectable career and a solid family life. A person can't get
>>>> that many accusations without there being a basis for them in his
>>>> personal behavior. The very fact he would take advantage of a young
>>>> intern in his charge shows just how little control he has over
>>>> himself.
>>>>
>>>> He drug the presidency into the gutter and cheapened the office in a
>>>> way no one else has done in recent memory. He lied under oath, he
>>>> lied to everyone of us on camera and he still lies to this day. He
>>>> still can't control himself and it is killing his wife's chances to
>>>> become the nominee. Not that I am sad about it.
>>>>
>>>> At least Bush has kept his personal life out of the public's
>>>> business. This is something Clinton could never do. Even while
>>>> Governor he run a muck and tried to screw anything that and had a
>>>> pulse. Just look at their tactics in this election. It tells you
>>>> everything you need to know about their morals and that is they have
>>>> none. Like I said, they just need to go away.
>>> IMO, Clinton did nothing worse than what tons of other men did and
>>> still do. His problem was that he got caught and it was splattered
>>> all over the world. I didn't/don't care who he's screwed, as long as
>>> it didn't affect me personally, which it really didn't.
>> Which is why I say he is weak in his personal life. I don't care that
>> he got a blow job but I do care that he was so reckless about it.
>> Look at JFK for God's sake. He knew how to cut a piece of strange off
>> and not get caught. You think Clinton would have known better.
>> Thanks to his inability to control himself he drug the country through
>> the gutter for four years over nothing more than a blow job.
>>
>> I disagree about Clinton's escapades not affecting us personally.
>> While he was fighting off impeachment Osama was planning to commit
>> mass murder on 9-11. That set up a series of events that lead us to
>> where we are today. Had he taken out Osama when he had the chance,
>> and he did have the chance, life as we know it today would be much
>> different. We had a taste of what the Islamic extremists wanted to
>> accomplish in the 1993 World Trade Center bombings. They wanted those
>> building to fall then and Clinton didn't get the extent of the threat
>> they posed and basically did nothing to fight it aggressively. Had he
>> done so I doubt 9-11 would have occurred. You can bet that Bush would
>> have taken it seriously had he been president then.
>
> Playing cowboys and indians hardly qualifies as taking things serously.
I think Bush would have run a full blown covert war on the terrorists.
There wouldn't be trials. Justice would have been dispensed out of the
barrel of a sniper rifle, from a smart bomb attached to a Predator Drone
or a well placed high explosive. I doubt Osama would had lived to
9-11-2001. This would have probably prevented the invasions of Iraq and
Afghanistan.
>> Say what you want about Bush but he didn't sit around and wait for
>> them to drop the other shoe on us after 9-11. He went for their
>> jugular vein and, IMO, is one of the main reasons we haven't had
>> another domestic attack from them the past seven years.
>
> In no particular order, Bush simply used it as an excuse to:
> a) Get revenge for Daddy Bush
Possibly, but I don't think this was the main reason.
> b) Go after oil
Iraq still isn't producing more oil than before the war.
> c) Play cowboys and indians
..... or he is trying to bring democracy to the Middle East and get rid
of a mass murdering dictator claiming he had WMDs.
>> If he was
>> going to err, I want to to err on the side of going too far rather
>> than not going far enough and we have 100,000 dead Americans as a
>> result.
>
> Shoot first, ask questions later?
Depending on the cir***stances, yes. Had they managed to kill 100,000
Americans and Bush hadn't acted to prevent it we would be calling for
his head on a platter.
>>> OTOH, Bush's shenannigans have greatly affected me and the rest of
>>> the country. He's done more damage than anyone in recent memory.
>> Whether it is damage is yet to be determined, IMO.
>
> You're not serious, are you?
Absolutely. Whether Iraq is a success or failure is yet to be determined.
>> If Clinton did the
>> same thing in Iraq the press would be spinning us a whole different
>> story line.
>
> We care about what pundits say because...?
It isn't just the pundits. It is the whole slant to the news. When
things weren't going well Iraq was all over the news. Look at it now,
we hardly hear anything. They refuse to run the good news as hard as
they do the bad news from there.
My nephew, a Marine, returned from a tour in Iraq this fall and he is
disgusted with the media coverage of the war. His experience is not
what they re****t daily. There is a lot of good being done over there
and we never hear about it. His time was spent in the Sunni triangle
near the Syrian border so he was in the middle of the worst areas. We
are being fed a steady diet of left wing propaganda regarding the war
and it shows.
>> Much of the negatives against Bush are for making
>> political hay and putting a Democrat in the White House this fall.
>> The biggest problem that elected Republicans face is that they have
>> forgotten what makes a conservative a conservative. The people that
>> make up the party haven't forgotten though and this is why they aren't
>> going to the poles to vote.
>
> Bush's fiscal policy is bankrupting America, his foreign policy has
> instigated war and escalated global terrorism, his energy policy has
> ensured our continued dependence on foriegn oil, his blatant disregard
> for the Constitution and Americans' rights has shown his complete
> disrespect for Americans.
>
> And it as yet to be determined if America's been damaged??
Believe me, I have my issues with him too. Keep in mind that he can't
do all those things on his own. Congress has been in lockstep with him
most of the way and I mean the current one too. From voting to
authorize the use of force to the Patriot Act, Congress has been just as
responsible. Also, the American public was not against the war in Iraq
initially. Go back and look at the poles. It is why Hillary and many
democrats voted yes on the authorization of force. Bush wasn't running
a muck on this. He received majority sup****t from across the board for
the invasion, including from the United Nations. Everyone had their
chance to speak up and most chose not to do it.
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