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Re: Seriously OT - So Michael... and Dave...

by Michael Johnson <cds@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM

dwight wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" <cds@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:Uc6dnQydi8sHQzDanZ2dnUVZ_rCtnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> dwight wrote:
>>> "markB" <mb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>> news:PMSdne4hyZiO6TDanZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> From dwight, on 2/8/2008 5:33 PM:
>>>>> "markB" <mb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:MoKdnV_nu4S0OzHanZ2dnUVZ_ommnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> From dwight, on 2/7/2008 6:25 PM:
>>>>>>> To heck with all this nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got the Canon Rebel XT, and now I'm reading about the new
>>>>>>> Rebel XSi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/newsLetter/PMA2008.jsp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do I want one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it truly has spot metering, hell yes! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -mb
>>>>> Yeah, but it has to be compelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Years ago, I bought the S1. Then the S2 came out (3MP to 5MP), but
it
>>>>> wasn't compelling. Then the S3 came out (6MP instead of my 3MP AND
>>>>> 12X optical zoom vs. my 10X), and it was somewhat compelling. By
>>>>> then, I'd bought the Rebel XT and upgrading the S1 was out of the
>>>>> question. The S5 came out, and I was seriously tempted, but...nah.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the S1 zotzed out. Because it had a service bulletin out on it,
>>>>> Canon ended up replacing my S1 with a refurbished S3, so the S5 no
>>>>> longer looked quite so compelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, my Rebel XT isn't all that old. I'd have to look long and hard
>>>>> at the XSi before shelling out for a new camera.
>>>>>
>>>>> And spot metering...? Since I work almost exclusively on manual, I'm
>>>>> sure I could continue to screw up my shots even with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given my track record, it's probably the NEXT Rebel that will grab
>>>>> me.
>>>> I'm impressed if you use full manual that much!  I usually walk
around 
>>>> on shutter priority.
>>> I bought the S1, because I was frustrated with my film work. I spent
the 
>>> first month on full AUTO, but I've been using manual settings ever
since. 
>>> Of course, the S1 had live view, so I could adjust on the fly and
pretty 
>>> much know what I was going to get. With the XT, I rely heavily on the 
>>> light meter, but I'm getting comfortable with shutter speeds,
aperture, 
>>> etc. I like my images a tad darker than AUTO gives me. The trade-off
is 
>>> those missed op****tunities, while I'm fumbling with the settings.
>> Have you tried using the over/under exposure settings in the camera?
You 
>> can also bracket the exposures to get one shot with differing
exposures. 
>> This might help you get shots at those times when you don't have time
to 
>> work under full manual mode.  Shooting in the RAW format also gives
much 
>> better control over exposure during post processing.
> 
> I'm familiar with all of that, and I suppose I could always do my 
> corrections in post-processing, too, but I drive stick. I think it's
more 
> fun, but sometimes that extra second results in a missed shot. I admit
that, 
> sometimes when timing is critical, I'll switch over to Auto, but that's 
> rare.
> 
>>>> I've been needing a DSLR for a while but there just hasn't been one
that 
>>>> compelled me.  I don't need 12MP, but at this level, this one finally

>>>> looks like there are no glaring weakneses, and has the features I 
>>>> couldn't find in one camera.  Like the Nikon D40x has no dust
reduction, 
>>>> the XTi has no spot metering.   But the XT remains a nice camera, and
I 
>>>> know what you mean about needing enough advance to compel a move up.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>> You may not NEED 12MP, but that will be the standard soon enough
anyway. 
>>> And more is usually always better. It's just that the jump from 8 to
12, 
>>> for me, isn't enough to make me shell out another $1000, when I've 
>>> already got a camera that's more capable than its user.
>>>
>>> The biggest problem with a DSLR, as I'm sure we'll all attest to, is
the 
>>> Lust for Lenses. I've got four in my arsenal already, and I'm
auditioning 
>>> two more in the near future. I'll have the 400mmL glass over the next 
>>> couple of weeks, and will be working on another Real World Lens Test
(or, 
>>> Results That the Average Mook Can Expect) for the website. This is the

>>> 400mm prime (not zoom), and if it is as sharp as I hope it is, I'll be

>>> thinking long and hard about picking one up for my own.
>> This is why I will consider DLSRs with in-body image stabilization
before 
>> my next purchase.  It reduces future lens costs dramatically and the 
>> lenses are much lighter.
> 
> I understand that. That 400mm doesn't have IS, but as long as I'm
shooting 
> faster than 1/80, I'm probably good. My 70-300 has it, and the 100-400L
that 
> I rented had it (and that sucker got heavier as the day wore on), and
I'm a 
> convert to IS. My S1 (now S3) has it built-in, and when I first started 
> using it, I swore it was magic. Shooting handheld at 1/20th of a
second...
> 
> I wonder what would happen if you put an IS lens on a camera with IS.

It would either work really good or really bad, IMO.
 




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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-01-31 20:50:56 
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WindsorFox-{SS}- <wind  2008-02-01 13:50:20 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 15:10:16 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-01 22:29:45 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 20:12:14 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-02 09:29:20 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 11:27:24 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-03 13:38:00 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 14:09:28 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-03 14:51:15 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 00:37:58 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-03 20:10:40 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 02:40:29 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-03 22:40:11 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 05:32:58 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-04 07:28:01 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 23:16:17 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-05 14:19:37 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-05 20:57:31 
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Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-06 12:51:58 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-06 10:38:27 
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Joe <drinks@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-06 23:51:04 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-06 19:23:26 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-06 22:25:00 
Re: OT - So Michael...
WindsorFox <darkshado6  2008-02-06 21:34:22 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-06 22:49:24 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-07 07:29:59 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-07 07:55:07 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-07 20:57:00 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-07 18:34:44 
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Joe <drinks@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-07 12:48:34 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-07 08:14:28 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-07 13:49:06 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-07 16:13:19 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-07 18:36:08 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-07 18:59:41 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-07 21:21:57 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-07 22:36:32 
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Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-08 13:30:53 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-08 20:05:13 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-08 22:03:16 
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Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-09 16:07:37 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-09 11:31:57 
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Joe <dinner@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-10 22:41:07 
Re: Seriously OT - So Michael... and Dave...
"dwight" <tf  2008-02-07 21:25:09 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-07 22:34:55 
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WindsorFox <darkshado6  2008-02-08 08:24:34 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-08 11:23:11 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-08 19:43:25 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-08 20:27:37 
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WindsorFox <darkshado6  2008-02-08 23:58:57 
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WindsorFox <darkshado6  2008-02-08 14:16:43 
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markB <mb@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-08 10:57:39 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-08 20:33:11 
Re: Seriously OT - So Michael... and Dave...
markB <mb@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-09 01:36:14 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-09 11:33:11 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-09 12:10:47 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-09 21:17:53 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-09 23:01:52 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-09 11:40:54 
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"Deputy Dog" &l  2008-02-10 14:50:21 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-10 11:07:39 
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"Deputy Dog" &l  2008-02-10 17:26:48 
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"dwight" <dw  2008-02-10 14:38:58 
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"Deputy Dog" &l  2008-02-10 20:30:06 
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"dwight" <dw  2008-02-11 19:35:10 
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"Deputy Dog" &l  2008-02-12 03:06:18 
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"dwight" <dw  2008-02-11 22:12:44 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-05 20:51:59 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 00:12:06 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-01-31 20:45:14 
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Joe <party@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-02 00:15:50 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 20:35:42 
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Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-02 14:00:22 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-02 09:38:40 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-03 08:27:48 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 10:05:09 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 00:41:55 
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WindsorFox <darkshado6  2008-02-03 14:18:40 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 00:46:42 
Re: OT - So Michael...
"dwight" <tf  2008-01-31 21:29:57 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-01-31 21:51:40 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-01-31 22:55:35 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 08:26:21 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-01 13:32:14 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 14:29:12 
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"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-01 22:37:24 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 18:16:41 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-01 20:05:11 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 20:48:12 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-02 08:35:24 
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Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-02 14:06:34 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-02 13:09:53 
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WindsorFox-{SS}- <wind  2008-02-02 20:14:28 
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"dwight" <tf  2008-02-02 22:46:32 
Re: OT - So Michael...
WindsorFox <darkshado6  2008-02-03 14:16:51 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-02 10:09:17 
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Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-02 14:03:33 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-02 09:53:18 
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Joe <lunch@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-03 15:18:48 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 10:56:45 
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Joe <party@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-03 16:16:03 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 11:42:24 
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Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-03 11:52:11 
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Joe <dinner@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-05 03:01:57 
Re: OT - So Michael...
Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-04 22:11:44 
Re: OT - So Michael...
Joe <party@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-05 04:13:27 
Re: OT - So Michael...
"dwight" <tf  2008-02-05 21:03:02 
Re: OT - So Michael...
Joe <breakfast@[EMAIL   2008-02-06 12:07:32 
Re: OT - So Michael...
"My Name Is Nobody&q  2008-02-04 00:49:29 
Re: OT - So Michael...
"dwight" <tf  2008-02-01 20:03:49 
Re: OT - So Michael...
Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-01 21:09:21 
Re: OT - So Michael...
"dwight" <tf  2008-02-02 08:43:09 
Re: OT - So Michael...
Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-02-02 10:17:01 

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