On Mar 26, 11:30 pm, "Brad and Karen" <BradandBro...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Mar 25, 12:29 pm, one80...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> On Mar 25, 10:24 am, one80...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> > I've got the bug and I've got the money and I'm getting me an '04,
'05
> >>> > or '06 GTO. I drove an '04 w/auto trans on Saturday and these
things
> >>> > are nice. Even the '04, with the 350 hp LS1 5.7 liter, will
flatten
> >>> > you to the seatback in first and second.
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> >>> > The differences between the '04 and the '05-'06, in addition to
the
> >>> > 400 hp LS2 6.0 liter, are better brakes and stronger half shafts.
But
> >>> > all years have a minimum of 350 hp, IRS, 4-wheel discs, the best
seats
> >>> > ever in any Chevy, a Blaupunkt (?!) 8-speaker stereo with 6-disc
CD,
> >>> > and all the other typical luxury doodads. From what I can tell,
6-
> >>> > speed Tremecs are about 4:1 as common as 4-spd autos.
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> >>> > Particularly the '05, and maybe all years, have crap bu****ngs on
the
> >>> > Mac struts and on the various control arms, front and rear. The
Mac
> >>> > strut prob can cause extreme negative camber, causing catastrophic
> >>> > rubbing damage to the inside edges of the front tires.
Aftermarket
> >>> > bu****ngs are a common fix.
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> >>> > But the good news is the '04's are settling in around the high to
mid
> >>> > teens. The '05's are right around $20,000, and the '06's are
$22,000
> >>> > to $25,000.
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> >>> > One thing, though, it's hard to find a bone stock unit, and the
> >>> > sellers sometimes want to charge more for a modded one. Still,
for
> >>> > example, I could pick up an '05 with 22000 miles and a
Magnacharger
> >>> > roots blower, 514 rwhp/498 rwtq, 28 highway mpg, for sale here in
Cali
> >>> > for $24,000. That's a purty good deal! I would have to add
another
> >>> > $20,000 to the $30,000 I already have in my '65 Mustang fb to get
> >>> > close to as nice a car, and I would still fall way short.
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> >>> > 180 Out
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> >>> Man, I need an "edit" function like in the web based boards. Either
> >>> that or proofread prior to posting. So anyway, I meant to say "best
> >>> seats ever in any GM product," and that the '04 is most likely to
have
> >>> bu****ng problems.
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> >>> I also meant to mention that the GTO platform is the same one as the
> >>> Opel Omega model that became the Cadillac Catera.
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> >>> Also to add that the day when an old school classic was the cheap
way
> >>> to major high performance is well and truly dead.
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> >> 180 Out,
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> >> I agree. The modern performance car has become so great at so many
> >> things -- top end, breaking, handling, acceleration, everyday
> >> driveability -- that the old stuff can't compete anymore.
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> >> Patrick
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> > Goto Dynacorn.com and get the best of both worlds. Old School looks
and
> > you do the rest.
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> > Nick :)
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> WTF Nick?
>
> I gotta say, Patrick is right. I just got a new MKZ Lincoln. I have had
> lots of 5.0s and have a 1993 Cobra now. It's a fact, the Cobra would be
> hard pressed to lose the Lincoln in anything but a straight line, and
even
> then, as soon as brakes were needed, the Lincoln would catch right up.
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> Add to that warm, cushy seats, all the cool tech features, the quiet
nature
> of the car, better fuel economy... the "old" stuff is just hopelessly
> outclassed. That said, I'll keep my Cobra cause I love it cause I grew
up
> with those cars, but if in a few years a Honda Accord goes by me like
I'm
> standing still, I won't be too surprised.
>
> Brad
The Dynacorn unibody is a great product if you want the '67-'68
classic vibe. But it costs about $14,000 plus ****pping iirc. That
price does not include a hood and front fenders. The unibodies are
not "ready for paint," either. A few dozen hours of blocking, and of
course panel fitting, are required to get them ready for paint. And a
modern OE-quality paint job will run $1000 for materials alone. So
you've already passed the price of a running, 20,000 mile or less 2004
GTO just to get your body shell prepped and painted.
Now you've got to add brakes, which can be made to match or exceed the
GTO's, but which will not have ABS. You'll need coilovers in both
front and rear to approach the GTO's handling characteristics. You
won't match them, however. Brakes, suspension. rims and tires, you're
into it for another $10,000.
Now you've blown past the price of a 5,000 mile 2006 Goat. And you
still don't have a 400 hp/400 lb-ft EFI engine or a six speed or 4-spd
auto trans, or an interior, or gauges, or a sound system, or AC. Or
any of the 400-500 trim pieces and fasteners you need to build a
complete car from scratch. (Actually you ought to get a '67-'68 parts
car for this project.) Add another $15,000 for all this stuff.
Also add 25% to the total, for the inevitable unknowns. And don't
include anything for the 1,500 hours of your evening, weekend, and
vacation free time that you've sunk into this car. Grand total, about
$50,000.
When you're done you'll have one of the coolest '67-68 Stangs ever.
Depending on where you live, registration may be a problem, but by
hook or crook it can be done.
I still don't think, though, that the finished product will be
objectively as good a car as a $23,000 5,000 mile 2006 GTO.
180 Out
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