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> On Mar 26, 11:30 pm, "Brad and Karen" <BradandBro...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Mar 25, 12:29 pm, one80...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> On Mar 25, 10:24 am, one80...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> > I've got the bug and I've got the money and I'm getting me an
'04,
>> >>> > '05
>> >>> > or '06 GTO. I drove an '04 w/auto trans on Saturday and these
>> >>> > things
>> >>> > are nice. Even the '04, with the 350 hp LS1 5.7 liter, will
flatten
>> >>> > you to the seatback in first and second.
>>
>> >>> > The differences between the '04 and the '05-'06, in addition to
the
>> >>> > 400 hp LS2 6.0 liter, are better brakes and stronger half shafts.
>> >>> > But
>> >>> > all years have a minimum of 350 hp, IRS, 4-wheel discs, the best
>> >>> > seats
>> >>> > ever in any Chevy, a Blaupunkt (?!) 8-speaker stereo with 6-disc
>> >>> > CD,
>> >>> > and all the other typical luxury doodads. From what I can tell,
6-
>> >>> > speed Tremecs are about 4:1 as common as 4-spd autos.
>>
>> >>> > Particularly the '05, and maybe all years, have crap bu****ngs on
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > Mac struts and on the various control arms, front and rear. The
>> >>> > Mac
>> >>> > strut prob can cause extreme negative camber, causing
catastrophic
>> >>> > rubbing damage to the inside edges of the front tires.
Aftermarket
>> >>> > bu****ngs are a common fix.
>>
>> >>> > But the good news is the '04's are settling in around the high to
>> >>> > mid
>> >>> > teens. The '05's are right around $20,000, and the '06's are
>> >>> > $22,000
>> >>> > to $25,000.
>>
>> >>> > One thing, though, it's hard to find a bone stock unit, and the
>> >>> > sellers sometimes want to charge more for a modded one. Still,
for
>> >>> > example, I could pick up an '05 with 22000 miles and a
Magnacharger
>> >>> > roots blower, 514 rwhp/498 rwtq, 28 highway mpg, for sale here in
>> >>> > Cali
>> >>> > for $24,000. That's a purty good deal! I would have to add
another
>> >>> > $20,000 to the $30,000 I already have in my '65 Mustang fb to get
>> >>> > close to as nice a car, and I would still fall way short.
>>
>> >>> > 180 Out
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>> >>> Man, I need an "edit" function like in the web based boards. Either
>> >>> that or proofread prior to posting. So anyway, I meant to say
"best
>> >>> seats ever in any GM product," and that the '04 is most likely to
>> >>> have
>> >>> bu****ng problems.
>>
>> >>> I also meant to mention that the GTO platform is the same one as
the
>> >>> Opel Omega model that became the Cadillac Catera.
>>
>> >>> Also to add that the day when an old school classic was the cheap
way
>> >>> to major high performance is well and truly dead.
>>
>> >> 180 Out,
>>
>> >> I agree. The modern performance car has become so great at so many
>> >> things -- top end, breaking, handling, acceleration, everyday
>> >> driveability -- that the old stuff can't compete anymore.
>>
>> >> Patrick
>>
>> > Goto Dynacorn.com and get the best of both worlds. Old School looks
and
>> > you do the rest.
>>
>> > Nick :)
>>
>> WTF Nick?
>>
>> I gotta say, Patrick is right. I just got a new MKZ Lincoln. I have
had
>> lots of 5.0s and have a 1993 Cobra now. It's a fact, the Cobra would
be
>> hard pressed to lose the Lincoln in anything but a straight line, and
>> even
>> then, as soon as brakes were needed, the Lincoln would catch right up.
>>
>> Add to that warm, cushy seats, all the cool tech features, the quiet
>> nature
>> of the car, better fuel economy... the "old" stuff is just hopelessly
>> outclassed. That said, I'll keep my Cobra cause I love it cause I grew
up
>> with those cars, but if in a few years a Honda Accord goes by me like
I'm
>> standing still, I won't be too surprised.
>>
>> Brad
>
> The Dynacorn unibody is a great product if you want the '67-'68
> classic vibe. But it costs about $14,000 plus ****pping iirc. That
> price does not include a hood and front fenders. The unibodies are
> not "ready for paint," either. A few dozen hours of blocking, and of
> course panel fitting, are required to get them ready for paint. And a
> modern OE-quality paint job will run $1000 for materials alone. So
> you've already passed the price of a running, 20,000 mile or less 2004
> GTO just to get your body shell prepped and painted.
>
> Now you've got to add brakes, which can be made to match or exceed the
> GTO's, but which will not have ABS. You'll need coilovers in both
> front and rear to approach the GTO's handling characteristics. You
> won't match them, however. Brakes, suspension. rims and tires, you're
> into it for another $10,000.
>
> Now you've blown past the price of a 5,000 mile 2006 Goat. And you
> still don't have a 400 hp/400 lb-ft EFI engine or a six speed or 4-spd
> auto trans, or an interior, or gauges, or a sound system, or AC. Or
> any of the 400-500 trim pieces and fasteners you need to build a
> complete car from scratch. (Actually you ought to get a '67-'68 parts
> car for this project.) Add another $15,000 for all this stuff.
>
> Also add 25% to the total, for the inevitable unknowns. And don't
> include anything for the 1,500 hours of your evening, weekend, and
> vacation free time that you've sunk into this car. Grand total, about
> $50,000.-
>
> When you're done you'll have one of the coolest '67-68 Stangs ever.
> Depending on where you live, registration may be a problem, but by
> hook or crook it can be done.
>
> I still don't think, though, that the finished product will be
> objectively as good a car as a $23,000 5,000 mile 2006 GTO.
>
> 180 Out
Soon both cars will be old, their performance lacking, and in the end what
are you left with? These cars are supposed to leave you in awe, you just
have to decide if its the awesome looks of a '67-68 Mustang or the awful
looks of a 2004 generation GTO???
Food for thought. What are the '67-68 Mustangs currently going for ground
up
rotisserie restorations from bare metal to foot on the pedal? I've seen
some
Eleanor clones going for an easy $50k. The path you describe above is the
worse case expensive scenario as you even stated additional percentages
for
the unknown. For the most part I don't know of any other kit car
investment
were you would get nearly every penny back you put into it. If you wanted
to
make a budget of $24k for either car you might be able to find a decent
enough original Mustang and aside of buying all new you can find old
donors
for the body and newer donors for the drive train, suspension, brakes,
etc... I can imagine you could buy same year Mustang and do better too.
Nick :)
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