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Re: Mustang's Future Is Return To The 1980s

by Michael Johnson <cds@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 27, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Smaller displacement engines are coming, IMO.  To keep the power up the 
only real choice is forced induction.  I don't necessarily see this as a 
bad thing either.  Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Mustang hybrid 
eventually.

NoOption5L@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> Turbocharged motors and 5-liter V8s.  Sound's familiar, doesn't it?
> Like the mid 80s?  As we know Ford is hot with these new EcoBoost
> motors and with gas nearly bucks a gallon, you gotta wonder is a new
> "SVO Mustang" isn't in the future.  And then there's the new V8 being
> talked about.  Will the next decade be another offer both options
> (turbo power and V8) and see what the market decides?
> 
> Your thoughts...?
> 
> ---
> 
> 04-16-08: The fruits of Ford’s monumental turnaround effort which we
> have been watching and talking about for the last two years are
> finally starting to bloom. All the talk is starting to turn to walk as
> rollout of new products and technology from every corner of Ford is
> reaching a fever pitch.
> 
> While the all new cars and trucks have been stealing the headlines and
> will continue to do so, one of the biggest stories in Ford’s recent
> history will be under the hood of all these new cars. As everyone
> knows, gas prices and new government regulations will be changing the
> automotive landscape before we know it. Ford has been hard at work
> developing the next generation of high tech engines long before gas
> prices rose to $3.50 a gallon and well before the new CAFÉ legislation
> was hatched. They saw it coming.
> 
> We recently had the op****tunity to see Ford’s new EcoBoost engine
> technology up close, touch it with our hands, and chat with Ford
> engineers about how it works and where it will be used. EcoBoost,
> which mates advanced direct injection technology and turbocharging
> with a gasoline engine, can deliver up to 20 percent better fuel
> economy, 15 percent lower CO2 emissions and superior driving
> performance versus larger displacement engines. The technology will be
> spread across Ford’s lineup from small cars to large pickups.
> 
> “The challenges of CO2 and fuel economy are complex, global issues,”
> says Andreas R. Schamel, Ford’s chief engineer for Research and
> Advanced Engineering. “There is no single, universal answer around the
> world. That’s why we’re pursuing technology such as EcoBoost that’s
> scale-able to large-volume production now in the short term. Programs
> like EcoBoost.”
> 
> The EcoBoost family of 4- and 6-cylinder engines builds on today’s
> affordable gasoline engines allowing the technology to be applied
> across a wide range of engines and vehicles types. In the next five
> years, EcoBoost will be available on a half a million Ford, Lincoln
> and Mercury vehicles annually in North America, far exceeding current
> hybrid vehicle production capacity. That means a significant impact on
> fuel consumption, Schamel says.
> 
> “EcoBoost will provide a real-world fuel efficiency benefits in the
> near term with a shorter payback time than other advanced
> technologies. We believe hybrids, diesels and technologies such as
> plug-ins and fuel cells have a role, but we believe that having the
> right mix of fuel-saving technologies over time is the best approach.”
> 
> In 2009, Ford will first introduce EcoBoost on the Lincoln MKS
> featuring a 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 that will produce the
> power and torque of a V-8 engine with the fuel efficiency of a V-6.
> With an estimated 340 horsepower and more than 340 lb.-ft. of torque,
> the Lincoln MKS will be the most powerful and fuel-efficient all-wheel-
> drive luxury sedan in the market – while saving customers about $340 a
> year in fuel costs compared with a standard V-8 model luxury sedan.
> 
> Direct injection coupled with turbocharging allows for the downsizing
> of engines that deliver improved torque and performance. A 4-cylinder
> EcoBoost engine has the capability of producing more torque than a
> larger 6-cylinder engine – nearly an entire liter larger in
> displacement – with up to 20 percent better fuel efficiency.
> 
> EcoBoost – combined with six-speed transmissions, advanced electric
> power steering, weight reductions and aerodynamic improvements – is a
> key part of Ford Motor Company’s near term strategy to deliver
> affordable, sustainable, quality vehicles that customers want and
> value .
> 
> In discussions with engineers we are told that the power potential for
> the EcoBoost 3.5 V6 can easily approach 400hp for rear wheel drive
> applications. In the aforementioned FWD and AWD cars, power output is
> only limited by the ability of available transmissions to handle the
> power reliably.
> 
> The big question for many Ford enthusiasts is whether or not the 3.5
> EcoBoost twin-turbo engine headed for the Mustang. Many leading
> publications like Motor Trend have speculated as such. The people at
> Ford we have spoken to say it is under consideration, but not
> officially a "go" at this time.
> 
> We suspect that we will indeed see EcoBoost at some point in the
> future to compliment the Mustang V8 engine options. It may not be as
> soon as the 2010 model year, but rising gas prices and tightening
> government rules will make it very attractive from all angles. This is
> a good thing. When you consider a lighter powerplant offering better
> handling with more efficiency and the same or higher power than a V8,
> it can be a win win for both the Mustang image as well as driving
> pleasure.
> 
> -- And this:
> 
>  04-16-08: The news never comes directly from the source. But again
> this week, a side glance from another foreign Ford source has
> confirmed that a 5.0 liter V8 will once again be under the hood of the
> next Mustang.
> 
> In a story published on Stuff.co.nz which talks of Ford considering to
> drop the 5.4 BOSS V8 from the Falcon models Down Under, the news that
> Ford is indeed readying production of a 5.0 liter V8 here in the
> States is again confirmed.
> 
> Ford Australia’s recently appointed president Bill Osborne confirmed a
> new 5.0-litre V8 to be developed and built in North America for the
> Ford Mustang was being examined for possible use in Ford's new Falcon
> as they consider whether or not to continue with the Aussie built 5.4
> BOSS engine.
> 
> “We have taken a look at that V8 and it looks like it will be a pretty
> competitive engine, particularly if we decide to boost (turbocharge or
> supercharge) it as well,” said Osborne. Of course, he is talking about
> boosting the engine for the Australian market. While Ford is moving
> head-long to roll out new “Eco-Boost” turbocharged I4 and V6 engines
> in our market, Ford officials here have denied any interest in
> applying turbo charging to a V8 for the States.
> 
> No information has been released as to the horsepower specifications
> for the new 5.0 liter V8 or whether the engine will have a 3-valve or
> 4-valve configuration. But horsepower has been rumored to be in the
> 350-375hp territory.
> 
> We re****ted late last year that Canadian Union boss Buzz Hargrove also
> mentioned that Ford was to build the new 5.0 liter V8 when speaking of
> the re-opening of the Windsor engine plant.
> 
> Patrick
 




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Mustang's Future Is Return To The 1980s
NoOption5L@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-04-27 19:57:35 
Re: Mustang's Future Is Return To The 1980s
Michael Johnson <cds@[  2008-04-27 23:39:26 

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