Re: Beware of high tech running amok

In article <rbsas356ecr4p71ih7jcn8j061bhkfcu4c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Scott in SoCal
wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:48:51 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Brent P) wrote:
> 
>>In article <02g9s35r5gmcl9e7p8r0an9fum4lshd68m@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Scott in SoCal
wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:36:03 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> (Brent P) wrote:
> 
>>>>I have no 'fob'. 
>>> 
>>> Most people do. You're just weird. Especially if you consider a key
>>> fob weighing an ounce or two to be some sort of an unbearable burden.
>>
>>I thought I was clear I consider it an annoyance. 
> 
> Do you really? Or are you just saying that so you can argue with me?
> 
>>> Keys are more annoying than fobs - especially when the weather gets
>>> cold and icy.
>>
>>Except for the torqueless wonder car I haven't had that problem in about

>>14 years. 
> 
> But you have had that problem. QED.

Well, ya see it took me a bit to get into shape and the problem was half 
mechanical. It was bad in the summer, worse in the winter. Only 
disassembly and greasing took care of it. The linkage is still there with 
the remote gizmo and it was the problem, not the lock cylinders 
themselves. 

>>I understand thieves eventually defeated the ford PATS system too... 
> 
> Cite?

It's funny how I'm the person who is expected to keep cites for every 
damn thing I've read in the last 20 years around here. How many times 
have I made something up out of the blue scott? ZERO. Ya think there 
would be just a little respect. 

>>>>Easy low tech solution: Spare key in wallet duh. 
>>
>>> Luddite. 
>>
>>No. Keep it Simple, Stupid. 
>>
>>> Do you keep a bottle of lock de-icer in your wallet too?
>>
>>Why would I need that? 
> 
> Don't be disingenuous.

I've never needed it. It's not my fault you drove beaters when you lived 
around here. 

>>>>Only I drive my car. 
>>
>>> And you're never getting married or even having an SO.
>>
>>Find me a woman under 35 years old that can drive three on the tree and 
>>then I'll be concerned about it. 

> Maybe that's your REAL problem: you aren't getting laid enough, and
> you take out your frustrations by getting into silly arguments on
> USENET? :)

You're the one pu****ng the silly argument trying to convince me I need 
your favorite gizmo. Note I haven't said you should give up your gizmo 
only that I don't need or want it. Think about that for a moment. Why is 
it so im****tant that you convince me I need keyless entry? 
  
>>Now my '73 and '75 mavericks when I did 
>>drive them daily over 11 years ago, would have the *latches* freeze up 
>>but not the lock cylinders. Of course your key fob thinggy doesn't take 
>>the latch out of the system. 

> The door latches in my C6 are controlled by solenoids. Since no part
> of the mechanism is exposed to water they cannot freeze up. You'd have
> to encase the entire car in a block of ice to keep me from getting
> into it.

The latches are just as exposed in your vette as any other car. Although 
the old ford bear-hug latches did leave more mechanism out in the open 
than more modern designs. But that's neither here nor there because 
keyless entry does not eliminate nor does it better protect latches. 
Keyless entry merely controls the latches. The electric solenoid is the 
same one that is there for power locks. The electronic control replaces 
the lock cylinder and only the lock cylinder, the rest of the mechanism 
is there just as it would have always been.