On Feb 27, 5:22=A0pm, N8N <njna...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 8:01 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > On Feb 27, 4:28 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Brent P)
> > wrote:
>
> > > In article
<0c038c8f-35aa-4b9a-894d-d5badf71d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Ed Pirrero wrote:
> > > > On Feb 27, 4:05 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Brent P)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> In article
<34b87ba9-c84f-4a0d-a38e-856539135...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Ed Pirrero wrote:
> > > >> > On Feb 27, 7:02 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Brent
P)
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >> In article <rbsas356ecr4p71ih7jcn8j061bhkfc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Scott
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n SoCal wrote:
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> > > >> >> How many times
> > > >> >> have I made something up out of the blue scott? ZERO. Ya think
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here
> > > >> >> would be just a little respect.
> > > >> > LOL. =A0That's reason you don't get respect. =A0If the
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s you
> > > >> > reached made sense from the data you presented, you *would* get
> > > >> > respect.
>
> > > >> You mean like...[snipped argumentative crap]
>
> > > > Yeah, just like that. =A0Or whatever. =A0Obviously you never have
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ought
> > > > about it much.
> > > > The fact that you happen to hit on a few true facts every now and
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en
> > > > isn't surprising. =A0Hell, anyone with as much free time as you
seem=
to
> > > > have might find some nuggets of truth. =A0Just from the sheer
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of
> > > > crap you spew out, some good must come. =A0Sorta like fertilizer,
I
> > > > guess.
> > > > Instead of knee-jerk defensive sermonizing, why not examine the
why =
of
> > > > why you seem to get so little respect. =A0Even when you do
actually
> > > > present true facts.
>
> > > That was predictable.... Like always I produce the cite and like
alway=
s
> > > you spew insults back.
>
> > Maybe it's because of your ****y, paranoid attitude?
>
> > Maybe it's because of the natural tendency of folks to disbelieve
> > someone who obviously has a bigger agenda?
>
> > Or maybe it's because you are generally abrasive, holier-than-thou and
> > incredibly defensive, all at the same time?
>
> > The reason you have so much free time is abundantly clear.
>
> > E.P.
>
> I disagree with your conclusions. =A0I think a lot of Brent's "attitude"
> comes from year after year, people (both in RAD in the general public
> as a whole) disregarding facts, studies, and even common sense and
> displaying a noted lack of critical thinking skills about a variety of
> issues, traffic law and enforcement being an obvious, notable
> example.
I think all those things are valid points, but they *can* be delivered
in way different sort of way.
You and I can certainly have a discussion about the merits (or lack
thereof) of many different aspects of the vehicle code, the
application, and the enforcement thereof. You may actually agree with
Brent a lot, but I would never consider you paranoid or delusional
about much of anything. Maybe about the merits of watercooled, front-
engined ****sches, but that's a discussion over beer, LOL.
> =A0Once you get past Brent's delivery, which I generally
> interpret as exasperation after years of bringing up the same points
> again and again, I find myself agreeing with him quite a bit. =A0Well,
> except for the bit about driving Fords. =A0You can have the Fabulous
> Beater****sche when you pry the ****ft knob and steering wheel from my
> cold, dead hands. =A0(I do have one Ford, for the record. =A0It's an
> appliance-slash-sup****t vehicle for my real cars.)
Exasperation is one thing. I think we all have that, to some extent.
There are so many more people out there like GPStroll, for example,
than Arif or yourself. Folks you just can't talk to.
But the delusional "black helicopter" thing is ludicrous in the
extreme.
> I don't even bring up driving related issues outside of this forum
> anymore. =A0Most people are so completely ignorant of the way things
> *should* be that they just swallow whatever pap they saw on a
> television ad somewhere. =A0People having lived overseas being a notable
> exception.
Hey, never stop pu****ng. I finally got my mom, 65 years old, to stop
cruising in the middle lane. "KREPT, Mom."
I got my wife to stop cruising in the fast lane at the speed limit.
Every little bit helps.
> The older I get, the less faith I have in humanity. =A0The "general
> public" seems to be just about dead wrong (or at least enough of the
> public is that what ought to be a non-issue with a clear course of
> action turns into a contentious debate) on pretty much any issue you
> care to bring up. =A0I've accepted that the best I can do is act in a
> manner that I would have others act around me, and if others act like
> morons/kill themselves/vote for someone who has a known agenda to
> shred the constitution/whatever, oh well, I'll be dead in 70 years if
> not sooner and it'll be someone else's problem.
P.T. Barnum was right, ayup. But that DOES NOT give to be
sanctimonius. Less is more - if folks don't wish to believe traffic
studies that sup****t a specific course of action, there is no way to
stop them. Being an asshole in usenet to everyone who raises an
eyebrow surely doesn't make disciples of them, now does it? :)
> If I let myself care too much about just about any issue, I'd be
> standing on a street corner screaming at everyone that they were
> ****in' stupid. =A0Hopefully the people in the nice white coats would at
> least hook me up with the good drugs.
As in every other aspect of life, you have to pick your battles. You
can't win them all, so don't fight them all. I save my energy for
trying to raise my kids to be respectful of others. If I can at least
do that, I figure the rest will be gravy.
> What's really sad is, once upon a time, as you state, the majority (or
> at least a significant and prolific minority) of RAD posters were
> knowledgable about driving, traffic law, etc. =A0Now, if a n00b stumbled
> in, half the posts he'd see would be some spew from Aunt Judy or
> gpstard and the few regulars left posting something like "hey,
> ****wit, die in a fire" and the poor n00b would think he'd stumbled
> into an unholy cross between an insane asylum and the kind of bar you
> wouldn't want to drink at. =A0I think there are still quite a few people
> here who could provide accurate, meaningful answers to a real question
> from a sincere but ignorant poster. =A0Unfortunately, if it ever happens
> it'll get lost in the noise...
Unfortunately, you are correct. One of the big reasons I went away
from usenet is because the signal:noise got so low. Brent's
bloviating on any particular OT tangent doesn't help that ratio at all
- again, less is more. I remember Ken Cruddup, who would insist above
all else that driving one-handed was safer than two-handed. It was
funny, because he got some ribbing for that. But otherwise, he was a
good dude.
Any nuggets of real information that Brent may put out gets lost in
the vast amount of unsup****ted and utter bull**** that accompanies
it. It devalues the real information to the point where folks can
just dismiss it.
One could also make the argument that usenet is dying. There are a
lot better places on the internet to spend time, places where Brent's
OT stuff would just be either deleted outright, or moved to a more-
appropriate forum. Those kind of forums have a much higher
signal:noise, and have more value for the time spent. Sorta like the
renns****t forums for you ****sche dicks. Uhhh, guys! :)
Topically, I do like my heated seats here in the cold. I also like my
AC when it's warm. EFI is nice on a turbo car, because I can get
better performance out of the gear I have. I like my GPS, even though
I'm a die-hard paper map guy. Not all whizzy tech is bad, and not all
whizzy tech is good. While the UrS6 is a big step up from my
Scirocco, it's much larger amount of tech doesn't make the car that
much more pleasurable to drive. But I sure as hell wouldn't have
wanted to hand-crank the Scirocco to a start! :)
E.P.
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