Re: Greatest moment in CART history

RickyBobby wrote:
> 
> "Chip Thomas" <spamanot@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:mzGwj.58799$Pv2.18642@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>> Now that CART is finally no more it is time to look back and reflect 
>>> on some of their greatest moments in auto racing history.
>>
>> CART has been gone for years.  If you knew anything about racing, 
>> you'd know that.
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> <snip of some irrational ramblings>
>>
>>>
>>> That is how I will remember CART.  Liars, cheats, thieves.
>>
>> Remember things in whatever way you want.  When you spoke with the 
>> officials during the CART years, did they lie to you?
>>
>>

To start with, CART has been gone for years.  Any race fan would know 
that.  Anybody who knew anything about racing would know that CART has 
been gone for years.

Where does that leave you?

> 
> As a matter of fact they did.  They said that they were going to have 
> races on dates that races never took place.  Care to debate that fact?


Not at all.  Which CART officials did you personally speak with?  We 
need names here so to help you prove your point

There were a couple of races that fell through.  So what?  Texas was a 
bad deal.  There should have been some testing and analysis before they 
scheduled the race.  But it wouldn't be the first time that a race was 
scheduled before a track was finished.

BTW, were all the missed dates the direct and sole responsibility of 
Champ Car or were some of them the failures of the promoters?

But lets talks about lies.  The IRL said all-oval.  The IRL said no 
engine leases.  The IRL said inexpensive cars.  The IRL said they would 
prevent big buck teams from dominating the s****t.  The IRL said 
all-American heroes of the short tracks.  The IRL promised a lot and 
delivered nothing.

And the IRL lied about more im****tant points than just the running of a 
couple of races.


> 
> Tony George went way out on a limb with his personal fortune and name 
> and dignity on the line and scheduled over 200 IRL races and every last 
> one of them was run.  Care to debate that fact?

"Way out on a limb"?  That's just too funny.

Tony George was using his fortune to fund his personal ego trip.  He 
propped up a losing series since its inception.  He could buy a race and 
run it with empty stands (most of them).  It was all about TG wanting to 
control open wheel.

When he failed to synthesize a series that could stand on its own, he 
paid huge amounts to merge his failure back into Champ Car.  Part of his 
payment covered keeping the IRL name.

Prove that incorrect?


> 
> I can clearly see that will never agree on anything anyhow but my facts 
> are way more solid than your facts.


[Not exactly sure what you're trying to say.  I'll try to interpret this 
  into English and respond.]

You call those weak assertions facts?  Read the above to establish the 
FACTS and see how badly you failed in a critical *****sment of what is
fact.

The single error category of Champ Car (and the long defunct CART) does 
not outweigh the gross failures in so many categories by the IRL and 
Tony George.


> 
> But it is all good now and we can all forget the bad moments of the past

> and get behind the current vision of what open wheel racing is today.

I'm not getting behind a vision until I see what it is.  If it ends up 
being what was before the split, I might return to sup****t open wheel. 
If it ends up smelling too much like the IRL, I won't.

Idiots just follow blindly.


I suggest that you just keep believing that TG and the IRL are the 
saviors of U.S. open wheel.  That's why its maintained its status as the 
number one racing series in the U.S.  That's why drivers all over the 
world aspire to reach the pinnacle of their career in U.S. open wheel. 
That's why the Indy 500 is the most im****tant race of the year.  That's 
why everybody knows the names of all the U.S. open wheel drivers. 
That's why F1 champions and top NASCAR drivers are all seeking rides in 
U.S. open wheel.

But for the time being, I'd suggest that you take an unbiased look at 
the failure of TG and the IRL.  The TG-initiated split was a simple 
power play to get control of open wheel.  He established a set of 
principles that failed.  The split drove fans away.  The IRL could not 
put fans in the seats.  The competition was contrived.  In desperation 
the IRL started to add road courses and street courses in a failed 
effort to follow in the footsteps of Champ Car.

The IRL was out of options.  They had nowhere to go but to follow as the 
weak sister of Champ Car.  They only had the Indy 500.  Nothing else in 
their entire schedule mattered.  The only things the IRL had were a 
young kid with a famous name and a good looking female driver.  The 
young kid was (and still is) over his head, Danica can't win even 
against the thin competition of the IRL.

TG knew his only way out was to merge his failed IRL series with Champ 
Car.  So he paid a huge amount to merge with Champ Car.  His only "win" 
was to keep the IRL name.  Champ Car won the war.  They are getting TG's 
money.


> 
> Any of you snooty, high income, highly educated former open wheel fans 
> are more than welcome to take up a fervent interest in yacht racing.  
> That may be more your speed and include more of your type of people.


Do you think you're throwing an insult by observing that I have a 
comfortable income and am highly educated?  That I might just have both 
a depth of understanding of open wheel racing and of the intricacies and 
subtleties of sailboat racing?

Do you really think that's an insult?

You almost sound like auto racing should be exclusively for the great 
m***** of the uneducated and unwashed.  Maybe that's why you relate so 
closely with the IRL.

Please stay downwind.


I'm not going to keep this going with you.  For me this is like kicking 
a turd.  At some point I have to clean my shoes and move on.

Chip