On Feb 25, 5:04 pm, Chip Thomas <spama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
> > "Chip Thomas" <spama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >news:mzGwj.58799$Pv2.18642@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> RickyBobby wrote:
> >>> Now that CART is finally no more it is time to look back and reflect
> >>> on some of their greatest moments in auto racing history.
>
> >> CART has been gone for years. If you knew anything about racing,
> >> you'd know that.
>
> >> <snip of some irrational ramblings>
>
> >>> That is how I will remember CART. Liars, cheats, thieves.
>
> >> Remember things in whatever way you want. When you spoke with the
> >> officials during the CART years, did they lie to you?
>
> To start with, CART has been gone for years. Any race fan would know
> that. Anybody who knew anything about racing would know that CART has
> been gone for years.
>
> Where does that leave you?
>
>
>
> > As a matter of fact they did. They said that they were going to have
> > races on dates that races never took place. Care to debate that fact?
>
> Not at all. Which CART officials did you personally speak with? We
> need names here so to help you prove your point
>
> There were a couple of races that fell through. So what? Texas was a
> bad deal. There should have been some testing and analysis before they
> scheduled the race. But it wouldn't be the first time that a race was
> scheduled before a track was finished.
>
> BTW, were all the missed dates the direct and sole responsibility of
> Champ Car or were some of them the failures of the promoters?
>
> But lets talks about lies. The IRL said all-oval. The IRL said no
> engine leases. The IRL said inexpensive cars. The IRL said they would
> prevent big buck teams from dominating the s****t. The IRL said
> all-American heroes of the short tracks. The IRL promised a lot and
> delivered nothing.
>
> And the IRL lied about more im****tant points than just the running of a
> couple of races.
>
>
>
> > Tony George went way out on a limb with his personal fortune and name
> > and dignity on the line and scheduled over 200 IRL races and every
last
> > one of them was run. Care to debate that fact?
>
> "Way out on a limb"? That's just too funny.
>
> Tony George was using his fortune to fund his personal ego trip. He
> propped up a losing series since its inception. He could buy a race and
> run it with empty stands (most of them). It was all about TG wanting to
> control open wheel.
>
> When he failed to synthesize a series that could stand on its own, he
> paid huge amounts to merge his failure back into Champ Car. Part of his
> payment covered keeping the IRL name.
>
> Prove that incorrect?
>
>
>
> > I can clearly see that will never agree on anything anyhow but my
facts
> > are way more solid than your facts.
>
> [Not exactly sure what you're trying to say. I'll try to interpret this
> into English and respond.]
>
> You call those weak assertions facts? Read the above to establish the
> FACTS and see how badly you failed in a critical *****sment of what is
fact.
>
> The single error category of Champ Car (and the long defunct CART) does
> not outweigh the gross failures in so many categories by the IRL and
> Tony George.
>
>
>
> > But it is all good now and we can all forget the bad moments of the
past
> > and get behind the current vision of what open wheel racing is today.
>
> I'm not getting behind a vision until I see what it is. If it ends up
> being what was before the split, I might return to sup****t open wheel.
> If it ends up smelling too much like the IRL, I won't.
>
> Idiots just follow blindly.
>
> I suggest that you just keep believing that TG and the IRL are the
> saviors of U.S. open wheel. That's why its maintained its status as the
> number one racing series in the U.S. That's why drivers all over the
> world aspire to reach the pinnacle of their career in U.S. open wheel.
> That's why the Indy 500 is the most im****tant race of the year. That's
> why everybody knows the names of all the U.S. open wheel drivers.
> That's why F1 champions and top NASCAR drivers are all seeking rides in
> U.S. open wheel.
>
> But for the time being, I'd suggest that you take an unbiased look at
> the failure of TG and the IRL. The TG-initiated split was a simple
> power play to get control of open wheel. He established a set of
> principles that failed. The split drove fans away. The IRL could not
> put fans in the seats. The competition was contrived. In desperation
> the IRL started to add road courses and street courses in a failed
> effort to follow in the footsteps of Champ Car.
>
> The IRL was out of options. They had nowhere to go but to follow as the
> weak sister of Champ Car. They only had the Indy 500. Nothing else in
> their entire schedule mattered. The only things the IRL had were a
> young kid with a famous name and a good looking female driver. The
> young kid was (and still is) over his head, Danica can't win even
> against the thin competition of the IRL.
>
> TG knew his only way out was to merge his failed IRL series with Champ
> Car. So he paid a huge amount to merge with Champ Car. His only "win"
> was to keep the IRL name. Champ Car won the war. They are getting TG's
> money.
>
>
>
> > Any of you snooty, high income, highly educated former open wheel fans
> > are more than welcome to take up a fervent interest in yacht racing.
> > That may be more your speed and include more of your type of people.
>
> Do you think you're throwing an insult by observing that I have a
> comfortable income and am highly educated? That I might just have both
> a depth of understanding of open wheel racing and of the intricacies and
> subtleties of sailboat racing?
>
> Do you really think that's an insult?
>
> You almost sound like auto racing should be exclusively for the great
> m***** of the uneducated and unwashed. Maybe that's why you relate so
> closely with the IRL.
>
> Please stay downwind.
>
> I'm not going to keep this going with you. For me this is like kicking
> a turd. At some point I have to clean my shoes and move on.
>
> Chip
Thank you, Chip. That was brilliant.
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