"Dave-E" <davegto67@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Feb 25, 5:04 pm, Chip Thomas <spama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > RickyBobby wrote:
> >
> > > "Chip Thomas" <spama...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > >news:mzGwj.58799$Pv2.18642@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> RickyBobby wrote:
> > >>> Now that CART is finally no more it is time to look back and
reflect
> > >>> on some of their greatest moments in auto racing history.
> >
> > >> CART has been gone for years. If you knew anything about racing,
> > >> you'd know that.
> >
> > >> <snip of some irrational ramblings>
> >
> > >>> That is how I will remember CART. Liars, cheats, thieves.
> >
> > >> Remember things in whatever way you want. When you spoke with the
> > >> officials during the CART years, did they lie to you?
> >
> > To start with, CART has been gone for years. Any race fan would know
> > that. Anybody who knew anything about racing would know that CART has
> > been gone for years.
> >
> > Where does that leave you?
> >
> >
> >
> > > As a matter of fact they did. They said that they were going to
have
> > > races on dates that races never took place. Care to debate that
fact?
> >
> > Not at all. Which CART officials did you personally speak with? We
> > need names here so to help you prove your point
> >
> > There were a couple of races that fell through. So what? Texas was a
> > bad deal. There should have been some testing and analysis before
they
> > scheduled the race. But it wouldn't be the first time that a race was
> > scheduled before a track was finished.
> >
> > BTW, were all the missed dates the direct and sole responsibility of
> > Champ Car or were some of them the failures of the promoters?
> >
> > But lets talks about lies. The IRL said all-oval. The IRL said no
> > engine leases. The IRL said inexpensive cars. The IRL said they
would
> > prevent big buck teams from dominating the s****t. The IRL said
> > all-American heroes of the short tracks. The IRL promised a lot and
> > delivered nothing.
> >
> > And the IRL lied about more im****tant points than just the running of
a
> > couple of races.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Tony George went way out on a limb with his personal fortune and
name
> > > and dignity on the line and scheduled over 200 IRL races and every
last
> > > one of them was run. Care to debate that fact?
> >
> > "Way out on a limb"? That's just too funny.
> >
> > Tony George was using his fortune to fund his personal ego trip. He
> > propped up a losing series since its inception. He could buy a race
and
> > run it with empty stands (most of them). It was all about TG wanting
to
> > control open wheel.
> >
> > When he failed to synthesize a series that could stand on its own, he
> > paid huge amounts to merge his failure back into Champ Car. Part of
his
> > payment covered keeping the IRL name.
> >
> > Prove that incorrect?
> >
> >
> >
> > > I can clearly see that will never agree on anything anyhow but my
facts
> > > are way more solid than your facts.
> >
> > [Not exactly sure what you're trying to say. I'll try to interpret
this
> > into English and respond.]
> >
> > You call those weak assertions facts? Read the above to establish the
> > FACTS and see how badly you failed in a critical *****sment of what is
fact.
> >
> > The single error category of Champ Car (and the long defunct CART)
does
> > not outweigh the gross failures in so many categories by the IRL and
> > Tony George.
> >
> >
> >
> > > But it is all good now and we can all forget the bad moments of the
past
> > > and get behind the current vision of what open wheel racing is
today.
> >
> > I'm not getting behind a vision until I see what it is. If it ends up
> > being what was before the split, I might return to sup****t open wheel.
> > If it ends up smelling too much like the IRL, I won't.
> >
> > Idiots just follow blindly.
> >
> > I suggest that you just keep believing that TG and the IRL are the
> > saviors of U.S. open wheel. That's why its maintained its status as
the
> > number one racing series in the U.S. That's why drivers all over the
> > world aspire to reach the pinnacle of their career in U.S. open wheel.
> > That's why the Indy 500 is the most im****tant race of the year.
That's
> > why everybody knows the names of all the U.S. open wheel drivers.
> > That's why F1 champions and top NASCAR drivers are all seeking rides
in
> > U.S. open wheel.
> >
> > But for the time being, I'd suggest that you take an unbiased look at
> > the failure of TG and the IRL. The TG-initiated split was a simple
> > power play to get control of open wheel. He established a set of
> > principles that failed. The split drove fans away. The IRL could not
> > put fans in the seats. The competition was contrived. In desperation
> > the IRL started to add road courses and street courses in a failed
> > effort to follow in the footsteps of Champ Car.
> >
> > The IRL was out of options. They had nowhere to go but to follow as
the
> > weak sister of Champ Car. They only had the Indy 500. Nothing else
in
> > their entire schedule mattered. The only things the IRL had were a
> > young kid with a famous name and a good looking female driver. The
> > young kid was (and still is) over his head, Danica can't win even
> > against the thin competition of the IRL.
> >
> > TG knew his only way out was to merge his failed IRL series with Champ
> > Car. So he paid a huge amount to merge with Champ Car. His only
"win"
> > was to keep the IRL name. Champ Car won the war. They are getting
TG's
> > money.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Any of you snooty, high income, highly educated former open wheel
fans
> > > are more than welcome to take up a fervent interest in yacht racing.
> > > That may be more your speed and include more of your type of people.
> >
> > Do you think you're throwing an insult by observing that I have a
> > comfortable income and am highly educated? That I might just have
both
> > a depth of understanding of open wheel racing and of the intricacies
and
> > subtleties of sailboat racing?
> >
> > Do you really think that's an insult?
> >
> > You almost sound like auto racing should be exclusively for the great
> > m***** of the uneducated and unwashed. Maybe that's why you relate so
> > closely with the IRL.
> >
> > Please stay downwind.
> >
> > I'm not going to keep this going with you. For me this is like
kicking
> > a turd. At some point I have to clean my shoes and move on.
> >
> > Chip
>
> Thank you, Chip. That was brilliant.
Unfortunately (for him) I just couldn't resist adding this
begging for inclusion apropos comeuppance and its history:
"Hump away, pissants, hump!"
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"Dave-E" <davegto67@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
I did get a kick out of " hump away, pissant, hump!", though...well
done!
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