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>> > "Dan the Man" <dan708@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On Mar 12, 10:48 am, Who Needs Fenders? <fend...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> . wrote:
>> >> >>> I can't wait. A CC 1-2-3 at Indy. THAT will make my day.
>> >> >> Happened already: 2001
>> >>
>> >> >> Official Box Score
>> >> >> 85th Indianapolis 500-Mile Race at the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway
>> >> >> Sunday, May 27, 2001
>> >>
>> >> >> 1 Helio Castroneves Marlboro Team Penske
>> >> >> 2 Gil de Ferran Marlboro Team Penske
>> >> >> 3 Michael Andretti Motorola/Archipelago
>> >> >> 4 Jimmy Vasser Target Chip Ganassi Racing
>> >> >> 5 Bruno Junqueira Target Chip Ganassi Racing
>> >>
>> >> > It's pretty much always the same top contenders. The
>> >> > thing is, the vast majority (if not a pure exclusivity) are
>> >> > now, and have always been (since the series became
>> >> > legitimate in 2003) IRL regulars.
>> >>
>> >> I know; Dillon is hoping that the top three this year to be drivers
>> >> that, at the start of the year, were planning on driving a Panoz...
>> >>
>> >> I was just pointing out that CART/CC drivers have dominated the
> Indy-500
>> >> once already... BTW--that year, 6th (and last on the lead lap) was
>> >> Tony
>> >> Stewart, driving for Chip Ganassi--a CART/CC owner... So in a sense
>> >> CART/CC and NASCAR took the top six...
>> >
>> > Yeah, that race was a hoot, all of the IRL regulars fini****ng a lap
>> > down!
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Agreed, just as the post '03 CCWS/OWRS/ChumpCar series
>> > could hardly have been more of a joke, so was the pre '03 IRL.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> how many IRL champions are in or have been in F1???
>
> Let's see, Montoya was an IRL Champion (the 500, '00),
> DeFerran was an IRL Champion (the 500, '03), Andretti
> was an IRL Champion (AGR owner with both multiple Indy
> 500 and series champion****ps). Looking at the alphabet soup
> series, (even prior to '03): Zanardi failed horribly in each of
> his F1 forays (once almost killing himself), was summarily
> expelled (twice) and then almost killed himself again upon his
> return. DaMatta failed horribly, was expelled and was also
> almost killed upon his return (notice a trend here?) EVERY
> driver on a single IRL team last year, AGR, (including a
> previous teammate, Wheldon) had either actually tested an
> F1 car or was invited to do so. CCWSOWRSCC (looks
> like a typo) post '03 "proudly" featured unknown, no name
> also-rans like Doornbos. After 4 consecutive so called
> champion****ps, the frightened driver who famously stated:
> "I would not want to compete in the IRL because it is very
> dangerous on the ovals" (sounds like he escaped JIT),
> finally received an offer (of sorts), and promptly jumped
> at the chance, with a traditonal F1 bottom dweller.
>
>> IRL is a joke
>
> And yet the IRL was far superior to the aforementioned
> (evidenced by the former's survival and absorption of the
> latter) which, at a minimum, must make that latter at least
> something even less than a joke.
>
>
wow, put the koolaid down. Montoya won the irl 500, that doesn't make him
an irl champion. he led 167 laps and killed the field in his only irl
start. he won the cart champion****p as a rookie. deFerren was 2 time
cart
champion, won 1 irl 500 and was a suit for BAR Honda. again, not a irl
champion nor did he actually drive in F1. Michael andretti failed just as
bad as you claim daMatta and zanardi did in F1, only a champion in the irl
by way of car owner and hondas wallet. Villeneuve won the last real indy
500, cart champion****p, and did well in his 3 seasons at williams F1
winning
the WDC in 97. Bordais is 4 time champcar champion now in F1, albiet in a
****y ride but he made it. Any F1 tests or invites to irl drivers were
courtesy of honda but were not for auditioning for rides. you honestly
think marco andretti would ever get an F1 ride? Danica? not a chance.
the
next driver with any chance of an F1 drive is graham rahal. guess what,
he
was a champcar driver. even his own dad was smart enough not to let him
drive in the irl.
Yes the irl is a joke. what happened to the premise of an all oval series
with white american dirt track drivers?? take tony georges dick out of
your
mouth and realize that he ruined open wheel racing 13 years ago and it
will
never be the same again. the only reason the irl is the remaining series
is
that the champcar owners had the sense to stop blowing their own money.
you
better pray to whoever you pray to that NA$CAR races at the brickyard
every
summer because if not, there is no money for the irl to fill their fields.
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