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> >> > "Dan the Man" <dan708@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Mar 12, 10:48 am, Who Needs Fenders? <fend...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> . wrote:
> >> >> >>> I can't wait. A CC 1-2-3 at Indy. THAT will make my day.
> >> >> >> Happened already: 2001
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Official Box Score
> >> >> >> 85th Indianapolis 500-Mile Race at the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway
> >> >> >> Sunday, May 27, 2001
> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1 Helio Castroneves Marlboro Team Penske
> >> >> >> 2 Gil de Ferran Marlboro Team Penske
> >> >> >> 3 Michael Andretti Motorola/Archipelago
> >> >> >> 4 Jimmy Vasser Target Chip Ganassi Racing
> >> >> >> 5 Bruno Junqueira Target Chip Ganassi Racing
> >> >>
> >> >> > It's pretty much always the same top contenders. The
> >> >> > thing is, the vast majority (if not a pure exclusivity) are
> >> >> > now, and have always been (since the series became
> >> >> > legitimate in 2003) IRL regulars.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know; Dillon is hoping that the top three this year to be
drivers
> >> >> that, at the start of the year, were planning on driving a
Panoz...
> >> >>
> >> >> I was just pointing out that CART/CC drivers have dominated the
> > Indy-500
> >> >> once already... BTW--that year, 6th (and last on the lead lap) was
> >> >> Tony
> >> >> Stewart, driving for Chip Ganassi--a CART/CC owner... So in a
sense
> >> >> CART/CC and NASCAR took the top six...
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, that race was a hoot, all of the IRL regulars fini****ng a lap
> >> > down!
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Agreed, just as the post '03 CCWS/OWRS/ChumpCar series
> >> > could hardly have been more of a joke, so was the pre '03 IRL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> how many IRL champions are in or have been in F1???
> >
> > Let's see, Montoya was an IRL Champion (the 500, '00),
> > DeFerran was an IRL Champion (the 500, '03), Andretti
> > was an IRL Champion (AGR owner with both multiple Indy
> > 500 and series champion****ps). Looking at the alphabet soup
> > series, (even prior to '03): Zanardi failed horribly in each of
> > his F1 forays (once almost killing himself), was summarily
> > expelled (twice) and then almost killed himself again upon his
> > return. DaMatta failed horribly, was expelled and was also
> > almost killed upon his return (notice a trend here?) EVERY
> > driver on a single IRL team last year, AGR, (including a
> > previous teammate, Wheldon) had either actually tested an
> > F1 car or was invited to do so. CCWSOWRSCC (looks
> > like a typo) post '03 "proudly" featured unknown, no name
> > also-rans like Doornbos. After 4 consecutive so called
> > champion****ps, the frightened driver who famously stated:
> > "I would not want to compete in the IRL because it is very
> > dangerous on the ovals" (sounds like he escaped JIT),
> > finally received an offer (of sorts), and promptly jumped
> > at the chance, with a traditonal F1 bottom dweller.
> >
> >> IRL is a joke
> >
> > And yet the IRL was far superior to the aforementioned
> > (evidenced by the former's survival and absorption of the
> > latter) which, at a minimum, must make that latter at least
> > something even less than a joke.
> >
> >
> wow, put the koolaid down.
A paranoid fear of someone taking yours?
> Montoya won the irl 500, that doesn't make him
> an irl champion.
Sure it does, the winner of the Indy 500 is always referred
to as a champion except apparently in your pretend world.
> he led 167 laps and killed the field in his only irl
> start. he won the cart champion****p as a rookie.
He at least as easily trounced the CART drivers just as he
did those in the joke of a series the IRL was at the time
> deFerren was 2 time cart
> champion, won 1 irl 500 and was a suit for BAR Honda. again, not a irl
> champion nor did he actually drive in F1.
Did the original question "how many IRL champions are
in or have been in F1?" make any statement about drivers?
Of course not, but do feel free to ex post facto alter the
parameters of your inquiry whenever it fulfils your purpose.
> Michael andretti failed just as
> bad as you claim daMatta and zanardi did in F1,
Hardly, unlike Andretti, both Da Matta and Zanardi never
once scored a podium finish despite, also unlike Michael,
both participating in multiple seasons.
> only a champion in the irl
> by way of car owner and hondas wallet.
Penske and Ganassi are referred to as Champions (see
above). Honda could have backed anyone yet they chose
to go not with Penske, not with Ganassi, not with Rahal,
but with CART's all time winningest driver. Racing operates
on sponsor****p funding and you don't have the first clue as
to what AGR's arrangement is with them or anyone else.
> Villeneuve won the last real indy
> 500, cart champion****p, and did well in his 3 seasons at williams F1
winning
> the WDC in 97.
After also being expelled from F1, like musicians that
"go country" after they've failed miserably, he had planned
to go to Nascar, the true racecar drivers graveyard, but
even lost that ride.
> Bordais is 4 time champcar champion now in F1, albiet in a
> ****y ride but he made it.
He had nowhere else to go, other than landing a
position with a series' bottom dwelling team.
> Any F1 tests or invites to irl drivers were
> courtesy of honda but were not for auditioning for rides.
If you say so, but it's a lock that unlike Bourdais they quite
fittingly didn't have the slightest interest or need for a ride
with a bottom dweller.
> you honestly
> think marco andretti would ever get an F1 ride?
All the professional journalists that write for a living have
indicated that they thought so, but I'm sure you know better.
> Danica? not a chance.
We may never know but unlike the alphabet soup drivers,
she at least was offered a test with a competitive team
> the
> next driver with any chance of an F1 drive is graham rahal. guess what,
he
> was a champcar driver.
Guess what? Despite "being in the far and away, consecutive
champion****ps winning best car (which yet again went on to
win the champion****p), poor Graham Rahal STILL never
once threatened a single win". Res ipsa loquitor. In stark
contrast, in every respect to that utter failure, there's Marco
Andretti who, quite unlike GR, has already achieved multiple
victories, champion****ps, track records, fastest laps and
qualifying times in junior series. He very nearly won the Indy
500 in his fiirst outing (surpassed only by the team with the
most Indy 500 victories) and won a race in the big leagues
in his first year, both of which while NOT in the season
champion****p team's car). He would have arguably won at
least two more in his already short two year career (one of
which he was leading, the other while charging through the
field, both very near the end of the event) had he not been
knocked out of the race by other competitors (at best)
mistakes but he has already made 4 podium appearances.
> even his own dad was smart enough not to let him
> drive in the irl.
You might want to check the auto s****ts news. And it's
the height of folly to propose that not competing in a series
that comprises the world's most famous race and his self-
admitted "life long dream" is an argument in sup****t of his
either intelligence or driving prowess
> Yes the irl is a joke.
If you say so.
> what happened to the premise of an all oval series
> with white american dirt track drivers??
If you can supply any sup****t or evidence for what is
apparently some type of claim that I'm supposed to
defend, I'd be happy to view it and respond.
> take tony georges dick out of your
> mouth
You're a real class act.
> and realize that he ruined open wheel racing 13 years ago and it will
> never be the same again. the only reason the irl is the remaining
series
is
> that the champcar owners had the sense to stop blowing their own money.
One can often discern the weakness of a perennial victim's
proposed argument solely by how pathetically it needs and
attempts to misrepresent facts and the opposition's position
> you
> better pray to whoever you pray to that NA$CAR races at the brickyard
> every
> summer because if not, there is no money for the irl to fill their
fields.
Btw, I don't pray. Unlike yourself, I gave up fables, fairy tales,
and other children's stories, long prior to the age of majority.
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