Re: Welcome to the Big Time, Bourdais

On Mar 18, 3:00 pm, forty <cforteR3M...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Lenny wrote:
> > On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, forty <cforteR3M...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> AC wrote:
> >>> "forty" <cforteR3M...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>news:64aeiqF2bgpftU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> AC wrote:
> >>>>> "." <....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>news:hEPDj.32260$yk5.26216@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>> "Mike P" <priv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>news:649dmdF2b18jeU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>>> <another big snip
> >>>>>>>>> I suspect you will counter that by saying that Seabass never
beat
> >>>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>>> good in Champcar... which is just the same as AGR in the IRL
> >>>>>>>>> Mike P
> >>>>>>>> Trying to compare CARTs all time winningest driver, Ayrton
> >>>>>>>> Senna's teammate, plus the IRL's winningest team owner,
> >>>>>>>> two time Indy 500 and 3 time season champions and all in
> >>>>>>>> just five short years with arguably one of the most famous
> >>>>>>>> names in the world, to a nobody competing against nameless
> >>>>>>>> competition, virtually no accomplishments or respect driving
> >>>>>>>> for a winless perennial bottom dwelling team?!?!?! I think
> >>>>>>>> Paul (Marlon Brando) in "Ultimo Tango a Parigi" ("Last
> >>>>>>>> Tango in Paris") might have said it best when he uttered
> >>>>>>>> the infamous words: "What a steaming pile of horse****!".
> >>>>>>> Get your facts straight, Michael NEVER won the Indy 500 as a
driver.
> >>>>>> More canard, of course I neither said nor implied that he
> >>>>>> had won it as a driver, as I've in fact stated before:
> >>>>>> "Michael Andretti has now won the Indy 500 twice, in
> >>>>>> the same manner that Roger Penske is said to have
> >>>>>> won it more than a dozern times, despite the fact that
> >>>>>> the latter never once led a single lap or even so much
> >>>>>> as participated in it as a driver ..."
>
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.s****t.cart/msg/b56ac8bfb714e3ad
> >>>>>>> I quote.....  "to a nobody competing against nameless
competition"...
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> yourself, Mr Dot, admitted the IRL was a pile of ****e before
2003. So
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> fact competing against nobodies is exactly what AGR have been
doing
> >>>>>>> You're funny, it's ace
> >>>>>>> Mike P
> >>>>>> But there were years in which the CART/CCWS/OWRS/
> >>>>>> ChumpCar drivers did in fact compete in the IRL Indy 500.
> >>>>>> But of course doofus AGR never competed, or existed, in
> >>>>>> the IRL prior to 2003. What a complete and utter moron.
> >>>>> Of course Micheal Andretti was a 3rd rate driver who fundamentally
failed
> >>>>> in the elite F1 series, but to call him an utter moron is a bit
much.
> >>>>> AC
> >>>> That's a bit harsh, too. I'd at least give him 2nd rate status.
> >>> Comprimise?  2.5th rate?
> >>> AC
> >> Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
>
> > That sounds a bit high, but I defer to the two of you.
>
> > When he first went to F1, I changed my usual opinion of him and pulled
> > for him -- for the first three races. After that, I didn't admit that
> > I knew he was in F1.
>
> After thinking about it, 2nd rate was a little too much for him. After
> all, Rubens spent his F1 career as a '2nd rate' driver. Mike weren't no
> Rubens...

I always wondered how Rubens would have turned out if he didn't take
the number 2 at Ferrari. When he was with Stewart, he had many flashes
of brilliance.