Re: Welcome to the Big Time, Bourdais

"Lenny" <haysooce@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mar 18, 3:00 pm, forty <cforteR3M...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Lenny wrote:
>> > On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, forty <cforteR3M...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> AC wrote:
>> >>> "forty" <cforteR3M...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>> AC wrote:
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>> >>>>>> "Mike P" <priv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>>>>> <another big snip
>> >>>>>>>>> I suspect you will counter that by saying that Seabass never 
>> >>>>>>>>> beat
>> >>>>>> anyone
>> >>>>>>>>> good in Champcar... which is just the same as AGR in the IRL
>> >>>>>>>>> Mike P
>> >>>>>>>> Trying to compare CARTs all time winningest driver, Ayrton
>> >>>>>>>> Senna's teammate, plus the IRL's winningest team owner,
>> >>>>>>>> two time Indy 500 and 3 time season champions and all in
>> >>>>>>>> just five short years with arguably one of the most famous
>> >>>>>>>> names in the world, to a nobody competing against nameless
>> >>>>>>>> competition, virtually no accomplishments or respect driving
>> >>>>>>>> for a winless perennial bottom dwelling team?!?!?! I think
>> >>>>>>>> Paul (Marlon Brando) in "Ultimo Tango a Parigi" ("Last
>> >>>>>>>> Tango in Paris") might have said it best when he uttered
>> >>>>>>>> the infamous words: "What a steaming pile of horse****!".
>> >>>>>>> Get your facts straight, Michael NEVER won the Indy 500 as a 
>> >>>>>>> driver.
>> >>>>>> More canard, of course I neither said nor implied that he
>> >>>>>> had won it as a driver, as I've in fact stated before:
>> >>>>>> "Michael Andretti has now won the Indy 500 twice, in
>> >>>>>> the same manner that Roger Penske is said to have
>> >>>>>> won it more than a dozern times, despite the fact that
>> >>>>>> the latter never once led a single lap or even so much
>> >>>>>> as participated in it as a driver ..."
>>
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.s****t.cart/msg/b56ac8bfb714e3ad
>> >>>>>>> I quote.....  "to a nobody competing against nameless 
>> >>>>>>> competition"...
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>> yourself, Mr Dot, admitted the IRL was a pile of ****e before 
>> >>>>>>> 2003. So
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>> fact competing against nobodies is exactly what AGR have been 
>> >>>>>>> doing
>> >>>>>>> You're funny, it's ace
>> >>>>>>> Mike P
>> >>>>>> But there were years in which the CART/CCWS/OWRS/
>> >>>>>> ChumpCar drivers did in fact compete in the IRL Indy 500.
>> >>>>>> But of course doofus AGR never competed, or existed, in
>> >>>>>> the IRL prior to 2003. What a complete and utter moron.
>> >>>>> Of course Micheal Andretti was a 3rd rate driver who
fundamentally 
>> >>>>> failed
>> >>>>> in the elite F1 series, but to call him an utter moron is a bit 
>> >>>>> much.
>> >>>>> AC
>> >>>> That's a bit harsh, too. I'd at least give him 2nd rate status.
>> >>> Comprimise?  2.5th rate?
>> >>> AC
>> >> Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
>>
>> > That sounds a bit high, but I defer to the two of you.
>>
>> > When he first went to F1, I changed my usual opinion of him and
pulled
>> > for him -- for the first three races. After that, I didn't admit that
>> > I knew he was in F1.
>>
>> After thinking about it, 2nd rate was a little too much for him. After
>> all, Rubens spent his F1 career as a '2nd rate' driver. Mike weren't no
>> Rubens...
>
> I always wondered how Rubens would have turned out if he didn't take
> the number 2 at Ferrari. When he was with Stewart, he had many flashes
> of brilliance.

Were it not for Schumacher, I like to think Rubens might have lucked into
a 
title. Nice chap, maybe a bit too nice? It could be all my fault, I stood
on 
his foot by accident at a bookshop in London!

Mike P