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Energy cost calcs: all gas vs. all electric

by "The Pre-Meltdown Kid" <entropic3.14decay@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 12, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Awl--

Even tho "gasoline mpg's" may be obsolete with the advent of electric
cars, 
I thought it would be interesting to see at least what the upper limit of 
gasoline mpg's are.
The calcs reveal an additionally compelling feature about electric cars, 
namely that in addition to a myriad of other electric car advantages, they

operate under a *fundamentally higher thermodynamic efficiency*, because
the 
efficiency of a charging cycle of a battery is double-triple that of a 
Carnot-limited heat engine.

My calcs and values follow--would be interesting to see what others might 
get.

The drag equation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation)
is
Force = .5 p v^2 Cd A
p = density of air, v = velocity, Cd = drag coeff, A = net frontal area of

object.

F x 1 mile is the energy needed to overcome aerodynamic drag for one mile.

A gallon of gas has about 131 megajoules.
Net engine efficiency is about 32% (about 60% thermodynamic/Carnot eff,
and 
we realize about half of that).

Aerodynamic drag supposedly accounts for 60% of the energy needed to
propel 
a car, at highway speeds.

Using a CdA of about 5.5 for my Honda Fit (auto), at 65 mph, and the 60/40

energy ap****tionment, I get a "theoretical" mpg of about 54.

On an upstate drive, I was thrilled to achieve 46.4 of those 54 mpg's,
much 
better than Consumer Re****ts results.
City driving, however, esp. with Yonkers hills, is not much better than 
25-30.
Hummers have a CdA of about 25, which means they consume 5 times the 
aerodynamic energy of my Fit.

As stated above, perhaps the biggest energy hit occurs from middling gas 
engine efficiency, where 67% of the energy in a gallon of gas goes right
out 
the radiator/tailpipe--up the proverbial chimney.  wow....

And, another 40% of the paltry energy extracted from said gallon goes to 
sundry mechanical inefficiencies, likely consistent with the large 
difference between crankshaft hp and rear-wheel hp:    Transmission
losses, 
driveline losses, sundry power-assists, etc.

So from a pure energy pov, the comparison between gas and electric looks 
like this:

Gas:  131 Megajoules x 32% (thermo) x 60% available for aero drag =  25 
megajoules applied to aero drag.
Electric:  131 x 80% (batt/elec motor eff) x 85% (assuming only 15% loss
for 
car internals) = 89 megajoules applied to aero drag.
Of course, the electric is not using a gallon of gas, this is just
supplying 
a 131 megajoule "initial equivalent".

Thus, an electric car can be 350% the energy efficiency of an IC engine 
driven car. Mebbe more.

One can fudge the numbers quite a bit either way, but it is unlikely that
an 
electric will fall below 200% the total energy efficiency of gas.

In addition, the energy/resources consumed in the mfr of an electric car
are 
likely a small fraction of that of a gas car, esp. if we dispense with the

300 hp bull****.
VWs did fine with 42 hp.

If we factor in the overall lower-power of an electric, say, 40 vs 200 hp,

we have *another* factor of 500%.

Overall, the energy savings of automotive trans****tation could drop to 1/5

to 1/10 of current usage, which is pretty astounding.

Also, the automotive service industry will be revolutionized--or
destroyed, 
depending on your perspective.   "Check the brushes on your permanently 
lubed DC motors, sir?"
Might not even have brushes!

Yeah, batteries are still a problem, but proly not for long.
With a small good hub motor on each wheel, even lead-acid batts are
viable, 
at least in-town.

If all this indeed happens, I guess guys will have to go back to wearing 
decorated/bejweled codpieces, instead of their Vettes, Vipers, and
Carreras. 
:)


Info for the above calcs:

p = rho = 1.293 (metric units); v = 65 mph; CdA = 5.5 sq ft
Conversions:
..447 mph to m/s
10.76 sq ft to sq m
1610 meters/ mi
..6 = fraction of energy applied to aero drag
131,000,000 joules/gal
..32 gas engine eff.

All data from the below peer-reviewed sources:    :)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient
  60%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficients
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_aerodynamics
     CdA's

http://ecen.com/content/eee7/motoref.htm
  enginen eff

http://photovoltaics.sandia.gov/docs/PDF/batpapsteve.pdf
    95% batt eff.

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 4 Posts in Topic:
Energy cost calcs: all gas vs. all electric
"The Pre-Meltdown Ki  2008-02-12 23:35:18 
Re: Energy cost calcs: all gas vs. all electric
"The Pre-Meltdown Ki  2008-02-12 23:59:38 
Re: Energy cost calcs: all gas vs. all electric
"C. E. White" &  2008-02-13 12:56:48 
Re: Energy cost calcs: all gas vs. all electric
Don Stauffer in Minnesota  2008-02-14 07:33:03 

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