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Re: air - fuel ratio

by "Mortimer" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 10:45 PM

"z" <gzuckier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:e7a73155-1e9e-4bd6-8955-464cab4a30b8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May 8, 1:50 pm, N8N <njna...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > 2: Unthrottled operation. In the Diesel cycle load is controlled by 
> > > fuel
> > > alone. This reduces gas pumping losses incurred during the
> > > intake/exhaust strokes. In future Diesels this may fade somewhat as
> > > throttling is being used to facilitate achieving the EGR levels
needed
> > > to meet oxides of nitrogen regulations.

So having an excess of air, compared with the minimum needed to fully burn

the fuel, is actually a bad thing for a diesel, is it, as regards the 
production of NOx?

> > What he said. I'm not sure how much 2) contributes, but sort of as an
> > aside, this is the reason why you see sewer-pipe sized exhaust pipes
> > on Diesel vehicles - they are essentially pumping the full
> > displacement of the engine (or more, if supercharged) of air through
> > the engine every two revolutions, unlike a gasoline engine where this
> > only happens at WOT.

I'd not thought about it like that, till now, but you're right. At a
typical 
cruising speed of maybe 70 mph, that's about 2500 rpm so for a 2-litre 
engine that's 2500/2 * 2 = 2500 litres of air per minute or 2500/60 = 42 
litres of air per second. That's quite a flow rate through a pipe that's 
maybe 8 cm in diameter.

Even at idling speed, there's a real draught from the exhaust pipe on my 
car!


How much does the effect of the turbo vary with engine speed and therefore

exhaust gas flow? Presumably the faster the engine is going, the higher
the 
inlet pressure of air that the turbo delivers to the inlet-stroke 
cylinder(s) and so the greater the amount of air and therefore the greater

the amount of fuel that can be burned efficiently before you get partial 
combustion.


> and why they can sit and idle all day on a teaspoon of fuel.

Yes, which is why at fairgrounds etc you often see little generators on 
sideshows and stands with the engine just ticking over and a tiny fuel
tank 
on top. Interesting to hear how little the engine note changes as extra 
electrical load is applied, unlike petrol generators which are running
much 
faster (to get the required torque) but which slow down as more current is

drawn.
 




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air - fuel ratio
BobJ <jonroq@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-04 08:21:29 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-04 10:49:33 
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BobJ <jonroq@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-04 17:36:22 
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Tegger <tegger@[EMAIL   2008-05-04 23:29:14 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-04 19:57:56 
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Steve <no@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-04 21:16:24 
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Tegger <tegger@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 11:54:56 
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"HLS" <nospa  2008-05-05 15:53:46 
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Tegger <tegger@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 23:37:52 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-06 01:46:50 
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"HLS" <nospa  2008-05-06 06:13:44 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-06 16:51:46 
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Nate Nagel <njnagel@[E  2008-05-06 18:22:20 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-06 19:40:41 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-06 19:00:59 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 00:20:13 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-07 10:11:17 
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Stan Weiss <srweiss@[E  2008-05-07 11:25:31 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-07 10:59:21 
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Tegger <tegger@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 23:13:53 
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Don Stauffer in Minnesota  2008-05-07 06:41:28 
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N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-07 08:35:38 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 13:13:09 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-07 17:11:02 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 19:05:15 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-07 21:50:02 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 09:34:07 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-08 12:23:08 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 13:36:03 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-08 20:29:35 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-07 14:12:17 
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N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-07 12:45:06 
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kludge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-07 15:52:10 
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jim <".sjedgingN0  2008-05-07 16:46:30 
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Nate Nagel <njnagel@[E  2008-05-08 07:28:41 
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"Mortimer" <  2008-05-08 12:45:38 
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Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 09:48:44 
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Don Stauffer in Minnesota  2008-05-08 07:24:33 
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N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 10:47:30 
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N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 10:50:54 
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z <gzuckier@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-08 12:16:03 
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"Mortimer" <  2008-05-08 22:45:26 
Re: air - fuel ratio
Dyno <dyno@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 18:44:49 
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N8N <njnagel@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 08:05:33 

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